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i wouldnt get a springer to hunt with, youll likely maim more than you kill .. theres a couple of cheap recipes in the 'range' involving a 50$ handpump and an entry level pcp .. i'd say a stormrider in .22 would be good, also a marauder pistol, and a gamo urban .. with a slight curve in price respectively .. wont go wrong with any of them .. if i was thinking i might be stretching shots some the stormrider probably has the best velocity to reach out a bit further .. the prod is lethal close in .. the urban is good just its a gamo lol .. its a good gun though from what ive seen ..
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I have been hunting with Springer's for 30 years. I dont know were you got your information about Springer's mame more than kill. That's complete Bull^*#@ springers are very effective and accurate hunting guns at fifty yards or less. Probably more reliable with the simple mechanics. You only need you gun and a tin of pellets.

Get a grip you PCP guys. Game has always been taken effectively with spring power. 

Dont let these Darksiders bull#*@× you.


 
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Yes correct shot placement.

And correct hold, follow through, gun pellet preferences. And knowing the gun you are shooting with. Every Springer's is slightly different, even in the same model. 

I think that many PCP guys started with Springer's and became flustered and move into PCP and many newer to airguning skipped right past a spring gun opting for PCP they aren't included in a spring airgun conversation. By not practicing good technique., sticking with them and masteing a spring gun they gave up. A PCP is far easier to shoot. To me to easy. 

A quarter size group with a Springer is more satisfying to me than any I could get with a PCP. Much harder to attain but always and only due to shooters errors. Me.

Just my honest no Bull*×%^ opinion 

AIM SMALL SHOOT SMALL GUYS.






 
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Don't go PCP unless you plan on buying a compressor. Hand pumping sucks (even with a high end hand pump) and anyone who says differently is full of hot air. That being said, both of those guns only have a fill pressure of 2900psi so thats easier (still not fun) than many guns. Obviosly the smaller tank will be easier to fill. If you're a big guy that helps too. If you're only 150lbs, expect to have sore arms every 30-60 shots.
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That's what I was worried about. I guess though, those 2 Kral would get 30ish shots from full to end of green but it would be 50-60 pumps to get it back up to full. That's the main reason I was leaning towards a gas piston / springer so I wouldn't have to mess with that. On that note, the gas piston I'm looking at are Gamo swarm magnum, Diana 340, Hatsan 125/135/155. The springers are Diana 34/48, 350/460 magnum, Weihrauch HW50s, Beeman r9 (really above my price range but if consensus is it's worth it out of all of these I'll consider it) Are those decent options?
 
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Don't go PCP unless you plan on buying a compressor. Hand pumping sucks (even with a high end hand pump) and anyone who says differently is full of hot air. That being said, both of those guns only have a fill pressure of 2900psi so thats easier (still not fun) than many guns. Obviosly the smaller tank will be easier to fill. If you're a big guy that helps too. If you're only 150lbs, expect to have sore arms every 30-60 shots.
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That's what I was worried about. I guess though, those 2 Kral would get 30ish shots from full to end of green but it would be 50-60 pumps to get it back up to full. That's the main reason I was leaning towards a gas piston / springer so I wouldn't have to mess with that. On that note, the gas piston I'm looking at are Gamo swarm magnum, Diana 340, Hatsan 125/135/155. The springers are Diana 34/48, 350/460 magnum, Weihrauch HW50s, Beeman r9 (really above my price range but if consensus is it's worth it out of all of these I'll consider it) Are those decent options?
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The 50S from Krale is $330ish shipped but on backorder. Its an excellent gun and I'd highly recommend one. Gas pistons are fine as long as they work. Gamos are cheap guns with high price tags. I have a couple and they shoot ok at best but both mag holders have busted so they are both single shot now (the way God intended them to be!) Magnum springers are also much more difficult to shoot accurately so you need to keep that in mind.

Out of those choice, the R9 would be my choice for what you're looking to do. Krale has the Weihrauch HW95 (<--- this link takes you right to it) in 22 in stock for 400 shipped to your door. The R9 and HW95 are basically the same gun.


 
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Multi-stroke pneumatics are a great place to start. I started with a Benjamin 397 25 years ago, and that gun has killed more squirrels, chipmunks and pest birds than both of my PCPs put together. I recommend a Williams peep sight if you go that direction. I tried a scope on it but it just ruined that grab it and go feeling I like about it so much. The peep sight makes it a solid pest gun out to 30-35 yards. My PCP's are great for long range, but when I need to whack something quick, I still grab the 397. You'll probably do better with the Benjamin 392 (.22 cal) for your uses.

For what it is worth, if considering PCPs, hand pumping is not a bad way to go. Particularly if starting out on a budget. It leaves you with some extra cash for the meat of the setup, like the gun and optics. Compressors can be added later. Here I am 8 years in, and still happy to pump up my rifles by hand. I shoot almost daily. So, hot air or not, hand pumps do the job.

I have limited experience with springers, so I will let others tell you all about those. I can say that I know quite a few folks who use them for hunting and pesting and they are very effective with them as well. It's all a matter of how you want to get the job done and how much time and money you want to invest. Good luck making your decision! I am sure you'll have a lot of fun!
 
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Hand pumping sucks when you want to shoot targets for fun. Some guns take longer than others to pump but generally I feel like it's perfectly fine to pump your guns for hunting. Hand pumping for lots of plinking definitely gets very old. I still use hand pumps frequently. If you got a qb chief or Benjamin maximus you can fill it up by hand in like 2 mins. Those would be a good choice for a hand pump.
 
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You could go for an Air Venturi Avenger or an Umarex Gauntlet 2. They are within your budget. A 4 stage hand pump should suffice initially, and you can get a Yong Heng compressor later on.

The low end Hawke optics are pretty good, and should be about $150. Chinese ones are a hit / miss, but there are cheaper options from Discovery and other brands.

You should look at a starting budget of about $650 to get into PCPs.

I've used springers before, but after having 3 damaged scopes, moved on to PCPs, the scopes cost more than the springers. I still have one, but using open sights for plinking.

It is a rabbit hole though. My first PCP was a cheap one and I used a hand pump, and then a more expensive one. And now I'm using an Impact.
 
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.22 HW97K from Krale. $500 shipped, 3 days to your door. Its good for squirrels and rabbits but groundhogs are a bit of a stretch. I'd recommend a minimum of 20ftlbs for them but I've dropped them with less.

The gun is definitely a foot down the rabbit hole but I wish I had started there rather than the cheap guns that I had started with. I would have saved hundreds and hundreds in the long run.

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This is my 97K at 55yds. 5 shots, 0.397" group. Its a fantastic gun.
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You get what you pay for. And a 300 dollar pcp is the bottom of the barrel. If you want to buy one pellet gun and be done with it, spend a couple hundred more dollars and get a great quality springer. Buying cheap is a sure fire way to wind up discontent with your purchase and you’ll wind up like so many others with a room full of cheap stuff that doesn’t perform at the level you want. 500 bucks is a GREAT place to start for a springer. 
Decent quality PCP’s start at around $500 plus the $200 hand pump and scope, scope rings , etc. And when I say decent quality I mean decent. Not great, not middle of the road, just decent. You are going to have $1000 spent before you kill your first squirrel. Then a year or so down the road you will be investing in scuba tanks and a $1500 compressor to fill them with once you get tired of pumping the hand pump.
Getting into PCP’s is like dating a hooker. It gets expensive and you’ll always be lying to your wife about where the money is going.
Take the high road man, save a couple hundred more bucks and buy a springer and don’t join us poor lost souls that have became pcp addicts.

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$300 is a pretty slim budget.

Save a kittle more money, do some more reading, and get an instrument you will have confidence in!!

Will
 
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