new to this, looking for info on filling bottles.

[leel]

Hello, 

I know this is obviously beat to death, but I'm a little overwhelmed right now.

Was considering picking up a yong heng 'hardback/hardcover' compressor for filling a FX impact m3.

I'm good with troubleshooting, so it's w.e regarding the maintenance and failing parts.

Basically wondering if this is what I want, It's hard to tell if this is indeed the 'hardback/hardcover' version, but I think it is. also to find a legit yong heng with the option of a 4-year warranty is a little tricky on amazon:



https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0829HBRPD/ref=ox_sc_act_image_4?smid=A1S90NHFXITQ7O&psc=1



added this to the list as a bunch of you guys advised, also some compressor oil.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07KP2WVTR/ref=ox_sc_act_image_3?smid=A39CP3T8JONR46&psc=1

my biggest questions would be :



1) is there anything else I would need fitting wise to fill a FX impact m3 bottles or do I fill the rifle directly?

2) what would I need to fill multiple FX style carbon bottles?

3) are you guys filling the larger bottles to transfer into the carbon/smaller ones, or just shooting from large scuba tanks, 

4) if so, what would I need if so to transfer hardware wise (regulators fittings, etc.)

5) will dive shops fill the FX bottles, or will I require a larger bottle to transfer?

6) what else am I missing, is there a go-to parts list for noobs?



Thanks a bunch,



happy hunting.

 

[ImpactX]

That seem to be the right yong heng compressor. Most ppl using royal purple 100 and it seem to work good. As for the gold filter, I would get the one with medians beads, they are better than the cotton one. As for fill your fx bottle at a shop. Its too small to be worth time, money, and effort to get the small bottle fill at a shop. Get yourself a larger 74 to 100 cf tank. Then use the big tank to fill the fx bottle. The yong heng comes with quick disconnect fill, the impact use the same stuff so no need to get additional fittings. 

 

[biohazardman]

 

Lots of Yong Heng Info here;

https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/a-dedicated-yong-heng-subforum/#post-1127767

 

[leel]

 

That seem to be the right yong heng compressor. Most ppl using royal purple 100 and it seem to work good. As for the gold filter, I would get the one with medians beads, they are better than the cotton one. As for fill your fx bottle at a shop. Its too small to be worth time, money, and effort to get the small bottle fill at a shop. Get yourself a larger 74 to 100 cf tank. Then use the big tank to fill the fx bottle. The yong heng comes with quick disconnect fill, the impact use the same stuff so no need to get additional fittings. 

Cool, thanks this is getting expensive, lol.

so just to be clear I can fill FX tanks removed from the rifle also with no additional fittings?

And if I got a larger tank, I would need appropriate regulators to do so, obviously.

I think a local hydro/ bearing shop near me could probably help with that if I brought my carbon tank in and explained. They know what's up.



Thank you for the clarification.

 

[leel]

Lots of Yong Heng Info here;

https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/a-dedicated-yong-heng-subforum/#post-1127767

thanks bro, i kept reading your posts in other threads and was going to pm ya, but i didnt have enough replies yet. ill check it out.

 

[ImpactX]

No you don't need a regulator on your tank to fill the fx bottle. Leave the bottle on the gun. Connect the quick fill from the tank or compressor to the bottom of the impact where the fill nipple is. Just open the valve on the tank slowly, watch the guage. Close the valve when the pressure get to 250 bar.

You can not fill the bottle by itself. You need a huma adapter if you want to fill the bottle by itself.

 

[Gerry52]

I only have the FX Bobcat/ Boss/Royale platforms. You don't remove the bottle to fill them, just connect to the foster on the gun. Not sure about the other models or if they ALL have foster connections. You should be able to fill directly from the YH compressor. Just monitor your fill procedure closely & DO NOT OVERFILL! If I'm incorrect about something here I'm sure someone with the correct information will chime in. Sooner or later you'll probably want to get an SCBA tank (4500psi) & at that point you'll need the proper fill adapter according to what tank you get (CGA347 fitting or DIN). Don't worry about that for now if filling directly from compressor. 

 

[leel]

No you don't need a regulator on your tank to fill the fx bottle. Leave the bottle on the gun. Connect the quick fill from the tank or compressor to the bottom of the impact where the fill nipple is. Just open the valve on the tank slowly, watch the guage. Close the valve when the pressure get to 250 bar.

You can not fill the bottle by itself. You need a huma adapter if you want to fill the bottle by itself.

Gotcha,

this is mostly what I have been confused about- if the pump had the right hardware out of the box, the carbon bottle filling w/ rifle attached vs not, large tanks and transferring etc.

I think I got it all covered now, wish me luck

thanks again

~

 

[leel]

I only have the FX Bobcat/ Boss/Royale platforms. You don't remove the bottle to fill them, just connect to the foster on the gun. Not sure about the other models or if they ALL have foster connections. You should be able to fill directly from the YH compressor. Just monitor your fill procedure closely & DO NOT OVERFILL! If I'm incorrect about something here I'm sure someone with the correct information will chime in. Sooner or later you'll probably want to get an SCBA tank (4500psi) & at that point you'll need the proper fill adapter according to what tank you get (CGA347 fitting or DIN). Don't worry about that for now if filling directly from compressor.

Okay,

good to know. In the future, ill may want to be filling large tanks.

Just an extra adapter is probably needed, just like what is posted above for the FX tanks - same concept but for scba tanks. Gotcha!

My cc is hurting, but everything is making more sense now.

Thanks everyone for your input.

~

 

[biohazardman]

1) is there anything else I would need fitting wise to fill a FX impact m3 bottles or do I fill the rifle directly?

You can fill the gun directly from most compressors as most have the foster QR fittings.

2) what would I need to fill multiple FX style carbon bottles?

The Huma air designed fitting for the FX bottles can occasionally cause problems as it uses air pressure to open the valve.

This adapter will not cause problems as it opens the bottles by pushing in the stem like when you install the bottle on the gun.

https://www.bestfittings.co.uk/shop/fill-probes-adaptors/buddy-bottles-valves/best-fittings-fx-buddy-bottle-filling-adaptor-with-quick-connect/

3) are you guys filling the larger bottles to transfer into the carbon/smaller ones, or just shooting from large scuba tanks, 

I fill my large Great whit tank and my 100ci tank and fill my guns from the small one. 

Then fill the 100ci from the Great White for the most part.

Although on a long day, with many hundred of shots taken, if my Great White gets down to gun pressure I will just tether to it for many more hundreds of shots.

4) if so, what would I need if so to transfer hardware wise (regulators fittings, etc.)

So long as you have foster fittings on your guns and bottles no extra fittings are required unless you choose to fill your FX tanks off of the gun.

5) will dive shops fill the FX bottles, or will I require a larger bottle to transfer?

I can't answer that for sure but if you have the fitting some probly will others may not. Money wise you don't want to fill your FX tanks at the dive shop though.

6) what else am I missing, is there a go-to parts list for noobs?

Depends on your tank, compressor and bottle choices

Still a 90deg foster is always nice to have both for filling and tethering.

https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/wts-fx-impact-extended-quick-disconnector-with-90-degree-foster-fitting-8/

 

[rcs9250]

You didn’t mention what caliber your rifle was, it sort of matters in that the larger the caliber, the faster it goes through air (lower shot count). And that could help determine your path. I started with an impact and bought two extra carbon fiber cylinders for it and a Umarex Ready Air compressor. I figured I would fill the gun and two extra bottles and off to the range. I of course bought the Huma Air fill adapter. I did have a little issue with my tanks in that when I removed the Huma fill fitting all the air would dump out of the cylinder. At work I made a sleeve that I installed into the valve assembly to prevent the dumping.

Anyway, as I became more and more addicted to air rifles I wanted (needed) more. I’ve ended up with a an Alkin W31 and two 74 cu ft carbon fiber tanks that go to the range with me. Now I have air for quite a few hours of shooting. 

If your shooting is just one or two FX tanks, the Yong Heng should be sufficient and won’t cost you an arm and a leg. One thing you should do as another poster recommended is a desiccant drier, you don’t want moisture laden air in your expensive precision air rifle. And be sure to mount it in a vertical position.

And as someone mentioned, dive shops aren’t the answer for the small FX bottles. They also most likely aren’t the answer to fill the larger carbon fibers because some don’t fill to 4,500 psi, and if you don’t get a 4,500 psi fill you’re wasting money. 

I switched to air guns last year when the powder burning industry started raping all their loyal consumers and haven’t looked back. I still have some powder burners for hunting but my fun-shooting is air rifles. 

PCP air gunning has some high initial costs but once you get past that your costs are pellets and maybe new guns. 

Randy

 

[leel]

You didn’t mention what caliber your rifle was, it sort of matters in that the larger the caliber, the faster it goes through air (lower shot count). And that could help determine your path. I started with an impact and bought two extra carbon fiber cylinders for it and a Umarex Ready Air compressor. I figured I would fill the gun and two extra bottles and off to the range. I of course bought the Huma Air fill adapter. I did have a little issue with my tanks in that when I removed the Huma fill fitting all the air would dump out of the cylinder. At work I made a sleeve that I installed into the valve assembly to prevent the dumping.

Anyway, as I became more and more addicted to air rifles I wanted (needed) more. I’ve ended up with a an Alkin W31 and two 74 cu ft carbon fiber tanks that go to the range with me. Now I have air for quite a few hours of shooting. 

If your shooting is just one or two FX tanks, the Yong Heng should be sufficient and won’t cost you an arm and a leg. One thing you should do as another poster recommended is a desiccant drier, you don’t want moisture laden air in your expensive precision air rifle. And be sure to mount it in a vertical position.

And as someone mentioned, dive shops aren’t the answer for the small FX bottles. They also most likely aren’t the answer to fill the larger carbon fibers because some don’t fill to 4,500 psi, and if you don’t get a 4,500 psi fill you’re wasting money. 

I switched to air guns last year when the powder burning industry started raping all their loyal consumers and haven’t looked back. I still have some powder burners for hunting but my fun-shooting is air rifles. 

PCP air gunning has some high initial costs but once you get past that your costs are pellets and maybe new guns. 

Randy

Thanks for the reply randy,

yes, I should have mentioned I'm starting out with the .22 cal, 600 mm barrel, and DonnyFL moderator/can. I found it in stock through Palm Beach Airguns, and wont have to wait long to get it hopefully.

I am also coming from center fire rifle experience, and I can't agree more. It's too expensive for what it is these days, but the good thing is that I have some real nice NF optics I can swap around.

I have known about high-end air guns and figured it was about time. I have been reading all weekend. These things are far more interesting than most powder burning rifles to me. 

Looking forward to the experience and how quietly I can take shots. Also awaiting to see the quality of my first sweedish rifle of any kind.

I think I got the basics down, just going to hold off on the large tanks for now and see where the yong heng compressor takes me.

I will be sure to mount the filter vertical, and try to go over the pump itself when it arrives. I ordered some royal purple to run in it.

~

Leel

 

[leel]

1) is there anything else I would need fitting wise to fill a FX impact m3 bottles or do I fill the rifle directly?

You can fill the gun directly from most compressors as most have the foster QR fittings.

2) what would I need to fill multiple FX style carbon bottles?

The Huma air designed fitting for the FX bottles can occasionally cause problems as it uses air pressure to open the valve.

This adapter will not cause problems as it opens the bottles by pushing in the stem like when you install the bottle on the gun.

https://www.bestfittings.co.uk/shop/fill-probes-adaptors/buddy-bottles-valves/best-fittings-fx-buddy-bottle-filling-adaptor-with-quick-connect/

3) are you guys filling the larger bottles to transfer into the carbon/smaller ones, or just shooting from large scuba tanks, 

I fill my large Great whit tank and my 100ci tank and fill my guns from the small one. 

Then fill the 100ci from the Great White for the most part.

Although on a long day, with many hundred of shots taken, if my Great White gets down to gun pressure I will just tether to it for many more hundreds of shots.

4) if so, what would I need if so to transfer hardware wise (regulators fittings, etc.)

So long as you have foster fittings on your guns and bottles no extra fittings are required unless you choose to fill your FX tanks off of the gun.

5) will dive shops fill the FX bottles, or will I require a larger bottle to transfer?

I can't answer that for sure but if you have the fitting some probly will others may not. Money wise you don't want to fill your FX tanks at the dive shop though.

6) what else am I missing, is there a go-to parts list for noobs?

Depends on your tank, compressor and bottle choices

Still a 90deg foster is always nice to have both for filling and tethering.

https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/wts-fx-impact-extended-quick-disconnector-with-90-degree-foster-fitting-8/

Thanks for the follow up and breakdown, reading comprehension is strong on this forum.

Very detailed answers, I try to be very specific also.

I will pm Jerrymail and snag a qd.

This is a humble and supportive community I can see.

Thanks again for the info, you are definitely making this process and learning experience much more enjoyable.

 

[Gerry52]

Make SURE it's Royale Purple Synfilm 100. Sent you a PM (Private Message).

 

[leel]

Make SURE it's Royale Purple Synfilm 100. Sent you a PM (Private Message).

copy that just checked, it is

 

[biohazardman]

If it does not specifically state that it is Dive Compressor Oil then it is likely not the correct oil for our 4500psi compressors. 

Royal purple smells and is dark colored so it is difficult tell when it is dirty. I am also unsure that it qualifies as dive compressor oil as I can find no information that supports this assumption.

There are several good dive compressor oils around I use the Seco Lube 500 synthetic now although there is an 800 that is suitable as well. Mobil and others make oils specifically designed for our high pressure dive compressor type compressors also.