New Proposed Texas Airgun Hunting Rule News

The Texas Register has been published as expected. 

https://www.sos.state.tx.us/texreg/pdf/backview/0720/0720prop.pdf

The new proposed rule is in it but breaks down to this:

PCP ONLY

.30 Minimum

150 grain at 800 fps

OR any combination of bullet and velocity to produce 215 ft/lb.

Public Comment Links (Yes there are two)

https://tpwd.texas.gov/business/feedback/public_comment/proposals/201808_pneumatic_weapons_game.phtml

https://tpwd.texas.gov/business/feedback/public_comment/proposals/201808_pneumatic_weapons_fur_bearing.phtml

Lets make this time the last we need to rally and get this passed with overwhelming comments during the next 4 weeks.
 
Like I already pointed out, a stock .308 Texan will strain to meet those requirements. Does anyone know if the .308 Allen Cain of Texas Parks and Wildlife used to down two Texas whitetails at 120+ yards met those requirements?

You may not want me to comment Thurmond. My inclination is to let the Commissioners know that I think they’re being knuckleheads. But I’m not in Texas so if ya’ll are pleased with this proposal its not my place to disagree strongly. 
 
I am not sure you could call a 215fpe fair. It makes me wonder who had a hand in placing the poundage just out of reach of the Benjamin Bulldog. Most of us can afford this big bore and know how powerful it is. I know I brought this up before, but regulations on bows pertaining to poundage have been removed and the only mention of black powder requirements are that it be loaded through the muzzle. Why all the scrutiny for air guns, and don't tell me it is for the benefit of the poor little deer, more likely it is for the benefit of somebodies wallet. 
 
I am not sure you could call a 215fpe fair. It makes me wonder who had a hand in placing the poundage just out of reach of the Benjamin Bulldog.

I too noted that the 213ish-215fpe number they came up with is bizarre. At first I thought it was an arbitrary number, but 200fpe would have been arbitrary. The oddly specific power range between 213-215fpe suggests to me they figured out what power ranges most .30s, .308s, and .357s operate in and purposely set the bar just above them. After listening to that Commission meeting and seeing what the rule has developed into, I must say I'm not impressed with the Texas wildlife Commissioners. In that last meeting there was a line of very well spoken air gunners and even a hunting celebrity or two who all made good cases for leaving the rule as it was, then at the end Boss Hogg and Rosco got up there and muddled their way thru what was likely an untruthful account of the hog hunt in question, and that's all the Commissioners latched on to (I've heard that internally TPW was very aware that the hog trapper in question had given very widely contradictory accounts of the air gun hunt in question). 

Although I don't directly have a dog in this fight, my legislative contacts told me there was an attempt to make this blow back onto Florida to get our FWC to reconsider our rules based on this Texas situation, but that was thankfully shot down. So that all the more makes me mad about this situation. 

My contacts also told me that specifically as it relates to Crosman, Crosman has not really made an effort to influence the outcome of the Texas rules like they did in Florida. In Florida, Crosman's lobbyist was critical in getting our Commission to accept a .30 rule. I wonder if things would have been different had the industry made a strong behind the scenes showing in Texas in favor of the original rule. 

The problem now Thurmound in getting turnout for this rule is that its probably cut out a lot of airgunners who were previously excited about the rule and now feel like they've been crapped on and won't be able to airgun hunt game in Texas unless they get a new gun. I want to give the Commissioners a piece of my mind and I don't even live there or have to directly deal with the rule. I couldn't imagine how I'd feel if I lived there. 
 
I know I brought this up before, but regulations on bows pertaining to poundage have been removed and the only mention of black powder requirements are that it be loaded through the muzzle.

I just looked at the proposed amendments that include the new airgun rule and saw this about bows and crossbows:



But concerning airguns they say this:



Whoa. In the same breath they're saying archery and crossbows hunters can be trusted to freely pick their own equipment because they can be trusted to not choose something that won't be adequate for their given circumstances, but airgun hunters cannot be trusted to make the same call. 

Only out of respect to Michael and Airgun Nation do I not say exactly what comes to mind when I read that. 

Thurmound and other Texas air gunners, have you considered that it might be better to have no rule than to have a bad rule? Airguns are going to take off in the SE now that both Alabama and Florida are allowing them with pretty permissive rules. It might be better to go a few more seasons at the status quo and let Texas get left behind for a while, then when the Commissioners get their heads from where they're at and into a more reasonable place they'll be more likely to adopt what's working in their neighboring states. I'm concerned that if this rule passes now it won't be changed later. 
 
As it now is you can hunt all legal game with a 30 cal Don't get too hung up on bullet weight and velocity. ( unenforceable )

It also includes non migratory game birds for the smaller calibers. We are down to fly or die. We do not have the option

of further negotiations. It wont go back again it has twice already. They will vote this time and we need all the help we can get

because last time 780 voted against Its as simple as this if you hope to hunt Texas with air you must support

this its the only deal we are going to get. Please one last time help us to get this through. THANK YOU.



BULLFROG With all due respect sir, i for one am unwilling to wait for a deal that pleases you. Experts in many different fields toiled

cussed and discussed to formulate this and I believe its in the best interest of Texas air gunners to side with them at this time. 









fuznut 
 
BULLFROG With all due respect sir, i for one am unwilling to wait for a deal that pleases you.

If you would have read my posts, you would have saw that I've indicated that I'm not going to say anything to the Commission that might jeopardize this if Texas air gunners are pleased with it. It is my business to the extent that someone tried to make this blow back on Florida, but that attempt at sabotage has been thwarted. 

Beyond that, I'm simply mad because what's happening to Texas air gunners is unjust. Let's recap how we got here. The original rule was sound and had already passed. An elite rancher with personal ties to a Commissioner who apparently didn't like the new rule stepped in with his hog wrangler and they told a story about how .45 airguns of various makes and models shot at close range on perfect double lung hits with hollowpoint bullets (the wrangler's words as he testified to in the hearing that repealed the rule) do not kill small-medium hogs cleanly. That was very likely a false or embellished account. Yet that account caused the Commission to repeal the rule, a rule that had nothing to do with hog hunting. 

Next, the new rule proposed cuts out many qualified airguns, including the .308 Texan, a model that the head of the Texas wildlife agency's deer division used to cleanly kill 2 Texas whitetails with at over 120 yards. One of the deer dropped where he stood on a chest hit. The other ran just a few yards before dying at the edge of the plot. I don't know if he was using a modded Texan or not (again, anyone with knowledge please step in), but the implication was that the .308 Texan was up to the task. Yet the explanation for the new rule states: " Which all of us with hunting experience know to be a false statement, as many big bore airguns with much less power and smaller projectiles kill whitetails very clean. If you don't like .30 pellet shooters, fine. But this rule eliminates nearly all .308s and .357s. Even some .45s won't make the list. 

Finally, the Commission has the nerve, in the same breath where they state that only airguns that meet their specifications are the "minimal" to achieve lethality, to go on to state that bow hunters don't need any such hand holding and therefore all restrictions on manner of broadhead and draw weight are abolished. 

Ya'll are getting worked over. Which, if that's the way things are done in Texas and you are pleased with it, so be it. I'm quite content here in Florida where I just walked in to my homestead from an evening deer depredation hunt with my .30 Flex carbine shooting 45 grain pellets. I just get fighting mad for my airgun brothers who aren't being done right. 

Experts in many different fields toiled

cussed and discussed to formulate this. 


That can't be true. Experts in airgun hunting wouldn't have formulated a rule that reads this way or offered the false explanation that 213-215fpe is the minimum needed for a clean kill on a whitetail with a big bore airgun. 

Edited to add: I guess you did say experts in "many different fields." Its just obvious that airgun hunting wasn't one of them. 

I guess I just don't let the Boss Hogs of the world run over me like that rancher did who road roughshod over Texas air gunners for his own agenda. But life is often a compromise. Ya'll in Texas will have to chose where you all make yours. 
 
Well I guess I fall in that category you discussed where I am a Texas airgunner who sees what is going on and refuses to buy another gun to kill whitetail deer in this state. As I stated before in Texas the almighty $$$ controls TPWD. We all know the Crosman Bulldog will do a sufficient job on deer and that has been proven in other states, but someone with ties to our supposed commissioners has thrown sand on the rails. I do however refuse to support a go along to get along point of view. If we ended up with nothing this year there would probably be a greater interest in getting this right for next year.
 
The last thing any of us need is an inhouse fight. I am trying to make the point we are dealing

with a governmental law agency. If we want to play the game we must play by the rules they make.

Kill this and I will eat my hat if you see it again next year or for a long time to come. When and IF you

do its not going to be any softer on restrictions than what they are now offering. There is a lot of good in

this everyone now could shoot quail that is huge and will benefit all most all Texas air gunners. Beyond the

30 cal ,no restrictions. The restrictions on a 30 will be dang hard to enforce do you think they are going to carry

conographs with them in the field ? What way do they have to determine the bullet you show them is what's loaded 

in your gun. Don't get caught up in the details step back and look at the whole picture, its not a bad deal and baseless

to push the point they are screwing us over. Sadly yes money does indeed matter and the money they stand to make

from air gun inclusion is virtually non existent. Every anti organization out there is well aware of our tiny numbers and

eager to deny us this right, We need every last single vote we can get including those of you who object to some part of

this just to fight them off. Each one of us must now decide if we want to try to build a better future for ourselves and

generations to come or rally around those who feel their opinion and feelings is what really matter. I will comment no

further concerning this than to say God help us all. Please help if you can THANK YOU!
 
I have voted along with several friends have voted.

One thing that myself and several of my friends looked at was the minimum ft/lbs listed. Myself and several of my friends all bow hunt and have taken deer, elk, pigs, coyotes and numerous other game with our bows that don’t generate even close to what they are requiring of the airguns. So why are they requiring such a high ft/lbs?

Not wanting to start a argument, it was just a observation that was made when looking at it.
 
Please consider the 22mag with its 321 fpe or the 17 hmr at 246 neither of which is legal for deer in Texas

The only restriction on the 30 is for deer at 215 fpe.. i said i would comment no further and only did so in an attempt

to bring a brighter light onto the facts so that all would and could make a more informed decision. (Please forgive me.)

Bullfrog i have no knowledge of Texas trying to change Florida law but they have been talking for years about trying to

bring some cohesion to the regulations so that we don't have what we do now. Any who cross state lines know of what i speak.