New Magnum Break Barrel

[Mickshooter]

All the Hatsan hate. I own nine. Not counting my custom 130QE 8mm smoothbore shotgun. bought 11 of them. Two of them were not to my expectations. One the speedfire bought it just to check it out. Then sold it. And a 95 with a defective trigger. But fixed it rather than sending it back. Like any product there will be some lemons.

IMO Hatsan makes a good mid range airgun. They are solidly built. 99% of people that purchase them like them.

As far as I can tell $231 difference in price.

I recently bought the 125.$299.00
Also bought the 48 $375.00. so your right $76.00 dollar difference. Pretty close.

 

[Frogy]

I. Have. Owed. Hatsan an crosman an Gamo Good luck. You will learn the hard way just all of us , it’s your journey.

 

[FarmPlinker]

Diana 34 would be a good choice.

 

[Slingworks]

All the Hatsan hate. I own nine. Not counting my custom 130QE 8mm smoothbore shotgun. bought 11 of them. Two of them were not to my expectations. One the speedfire bought it just to check it out. Then sold it. And a 95 with a defective trigger. But fixed it rather than sending it back. Like any product there will be some lemons.

IMO Hatsan makes a good mid range airgun. They are solidly built. 99% of people that purchase them like them.

As far as I can tell $231 difference in price.

I haven't owned any Hatsan Airguns, but I did once have in my ownership a clone of a CZ 452 Trainer that was a Hatsan make. If the airguns are built the same way, I'd pass for sure.

 

[Sqwirl57]

Hatsans and Gamos make excellent truck guns. If your truck breaks down you can use them as a hood prop or wheel chock, possibly a walking stick while you hike to the nearest parts store.

 

[Hateful McNasty]

Hatsans and Gamos make excellent truck guns. If your truck breaks down you can use them as a hood prop or wheel chock, possibly a walking stick while you hike to the nearest parts store.

Id use a hw of i was in bad need to get going ..lol.

 

[Sqwirl57]

Id use a hw of i was in bad need to get going ..lol.

I'd at least put in a bit of an effort to find a sturdy stick first if that was my only option. Push come to shove though, I'd probably do the same.

 

[Hateful McNasty]

Ol gamo .. what i found is Thay got 3 tiers the 1,3,and 5 year warranty guns.

The 5 year guns i had/have been pretty good shoot ad good as the hw with a tad more power ( harder hitter in .22) . Far more comfortable to sholder and hold .

But the self fix or tune for gamo is near non-existent. Gamo just dont want you to fix there guns . Unless you got a ffl maybe you get a part , maybe.

I think on thete better guns that hirts there reputation the most. Kinda make a guy feel resentful toward them just on that alone. Ive sent a gun back to them and it eas easy no problem fast , but i did not get my gun back . I got a seap gun not fix my gun and send it back just took mine and sent another .. i did not like that one bit .

 

[Sqwirl57]

4 tiers of Gamo warranty. Refurbished only carry a 90 day warranty which really shows how little faith they have in their own rebuilding capabilities.

 

[SteveP-52]

Thank you for all the help and information.
can anyone recommend a shop for tuning in NY, or in the tri state area?

For a tuner close to NY, John-in-PA
JOHN IN PA-AIRGUN
39 Big Mount Road
Thomasville, PA 17364
(717) 873-5128
Highly recommended by many. Call, have a chat and explain what it is you may want done and to what rifle.
Anymore, don't care what brand or model you buy, QC is hit/miss on all of them and anything you buy can and will benefit from a good tweaking.
You might also want to define the small game you're wanting to shoot as you may not need that magnum power for shooting it. Accuracy trumps power and depending on what you're wanting to shoot and the distances you want to shoot it at, an 18-20 fpe rifle will take small game just as easily as one shooting 20+.

 

[Slingworks]

Why do you think you need a Magnum ? they are much harder to control , and shot placement is more important than power with a pellet .

I'm inclined to agree to a point. I've hunted small game with 22lr and Mach2 for 20 years. On the 22s I've wavered between short, Standard and HV rounds. Each has it's merits. In the end I stuck with the HV LR rounds. A little "less" accurate than a good Standard Velocity round, but much more effective on squirrels. You don't always get a perfect head shot and if you don't a HV round knocks them out all the same. I get close to zero crawl offs with HV's and once in a while one with SV ammo.

Airguns are probably different in some ways no doubt, although I'd think a magnum in 25cal would be the "High Velocity 22" concept I mentioned.
(From what I can tell, the 25 cal magnum airguns are really about equal to a 22 short).

I scrolled through the Airgun hunting section a few times and noticed quite a few squirrel hunts that ended in only one or 2 kills....How many "crawl offs" weren't mentioned? Maybe it just boils down to what you want? A full bag of game or the sporting pursuit/challenge?

 

[Sqwirl57]

I'm inclined to agree to a point. I've hunted small game with 22lr and Mach2 for 20 years. On the 22s I've wavered between short, Standard and HV rounds. Each has it's merits. In the end I stuck with the HV LR rounds. A little "less" accurate than a good Standard Velocity round, but much more effective on squirrels. You don't always get a perfect head shot and if you don't a HV round knocks them out all the same. I get close to zero crawl offs with HV's and once in a while one with SV ammo.

Airguns are probably different in some ways no doubt, although I'd think a magnum in 25cal would be the "High Velocity 22" concept I mentioned.
(From what I can tell, the 25 cal magnum airguns are really about equal to a 22 short).

I scrolled through the Airgun hunting section a few times and noticed quite a few squirrel hunts that ended in only one or 2 kills....How many "crawl offs" weren't mentioned? Maybe it just boils down to what you want? A full bag of game or the sporting pursuit/challenge?

High velocity 22lr also deals a decent amount of hydrostatic shock. A magnum 25 springer does not. High velocity 22lr generally groups within a half inch of standard velocity or nearly out to 150yds. A magnum 25 springer is lucky to be within an inch of a normal springer at 50yds. Let's keep in mind MOST people shooting magnum springers are also relatively novice springer shooters.

 

[beerthief]

IT is more a thing of ethical kills . head shot DOA .

 

[Bear-of-Grayling]

Here are three Hatsan 95’s. 177 spring, 22 Vortex, 25 Vortex. I made them into carbines. German steel, Walnut stocks, 4 lever trigger and a built in shock absorber. Tuned all three. Sleeved the 177 spring. Polished the triggers and added longer adjustment screws. Cut down and refinished the stocks. Added a Sniper 6x32 AO, IR, Mildot scope and offset mount. I don’t have much more than a couple HW tune kits cost in each one. I have shot them more than any of my HW’s. Fast and very accurate. If you want to learn to tune an airgun, Hatsan is a good pick. If not then I would stay clear of all Chinese, Spanish and Turkish airguns. Spend the money on a Weihrauch and get it tuned by John in Pa. You will have a substantial amount in it but after the money spent, you will be pleased. Learn or spend.View attachment 340449

 

[Slingworks]

High velocity 22lr also deals a decent amount of hydrostatic shock. A magnum 25 springer does not. High velocity 22lr generally groups within a half inch of standard velocity or nearly out to 150yds. A magnum 25 springer is lucky to be within an inch of a normal springer at 50yds. Let's keep in mind MOST people shooting magnum springers are also relatively novice springer shooters.

Of course. I'm a novice myself when it comes to airguns, but highly seasoned with regards to real firearms.

I wasn't implying 25 cal imparts any hydrostatic shock to the game, but you're right a 22HV definately does. A 25 carries allot more energy compared to a 177 and punches a larger hole, so it's a bit of an analogy I was trying to make. At 20-30yds I don't think 25 cal would be at any disadvantage accuracy wise as far as a kill on an animal goes.

150 yards? Where did that unnecessary stat come from? Most of my 22 kills are under 30 yards. Maybe 40 at times. I fill a bag limit usually in an hour or 2 if it's a nice day.

 

[Slingworks]

IT is more a thing of ethical kills . head shot DOA .

Yes I get it. But the point I'm trying to make is that it's not always possible. Sometimes a little brute power can compensate a bit.

Now that I've said all that about why I'd pick a 25, I think I want another air rifle. A HW100 in 22. LOL.

 

[Sqwirl57]

Of course. I'm a novice myself when it comes to airguns, but highly seasoned with regards to real firearms.

I wasn't implying 25 cal imparts any hydrostatic shock to the game, but you're right a 22HV definately does. A 25 carries allot more energy compared to a 177 and punches a larger hole, so it's a bit of an analogy I was trying to make. At 20-30yds I don't think 25 cal would be at any disadvantage accuracy wise as far as a kill on an animal goes.

150 yards? Where did that unnecessary stat come from? Most of my 22 kills are under 30 yards. Maybe 40 at times. I fill a bag limit usually in an hour or 2 if it's a nice day.

Belive it or not even a sub 12ftlb .177 will pass straight through a squirrel at 40yds and a non-magmum reasonably powered .22 springer will still pass throughat 70yds.

As far as the 150yds comment was concerned I was just using that for accuracy comparisons. Magnum springers greatly suffer there so carrying that energy further is kinda of meaningless. The magnums are better suited to taking slightly larger small game up close than they are taking small game further away. Game mind you that even a 17-20fpe non magnum springer can handle just fine.