New HW50 oversized barrel

Just shot a new .177 HW50 and noticed that the 4.52 JSBs (10 gr & 8 gr) fit loose. The rifle started detonating.

Is the dieseling/detonating due to the loose fitting pellets or likely oil in front of the piston?

There was in fact a little bit of smoke on the last shot (only took like 4 shots).

The shot cycle was extremely sharp (like dry firing but there was an impact hole on the target)
 
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It's pretty common for the recent JSBs to be undersized. It's also pretty common for the Weihrauchs to be over lubed. This will result in dieseling or detonation. Dieseling is when you might see smoke and smell oil but otherwise a normal shot cycle. Detonation sounds like a gun shot. It happens if there's way too much lube or it's dry fired. Yours could be a combination of not enough back pressure and too much lube.
I'd try some H&N FTTs they tend to fit tighter than the JSBs. Hopefully the gun clears up. If it keeps detonating it will burn out or rupture the piston seal. At that point its a warranty matter.
 
It's pretty common for the recent JSBs to be undersized. It's also pretty common for the Weihrauchs to be over lubed. This will result in dieseling or detonation. Dieseling is when you might see smoke and smell oil but otherwise a normal shot cycle. Detonation sounds like a gun shot. It happens if there's way too much lube or it's dry fired. Yours could be a combination of not enough back pressure and too much lube.
I'd try some H&N FTTs they tend to fit tighter than the JSBs. Hopefully the gun clears up. If it keeps detonating it will burn out or rupture the piston seal. At that point its a warranty matter.
Okay I will try some FTTs and keep shooting it. Hopefully I will burn off the excess lube quickly.
 
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Try to get the oil before it burns off. With a Q-tip (bit of cotton removed) continually clean the transfer port for about a tin of pellets. Oil gets pushed there first. If the port and barrel are kept clean, detonation is unlikely. It will calm down. After a pellet is shot, cock and blow down the barrel. When you no longer get smoke, you are good to go.
 
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Heavier pellets would normally be the way to go because it creates more back pressure and slows the piston down. Fit also affects back pressure. Unfortunately a loose fitting 10.34 JSB may not create as much back pressure as a tight fitting 8.64 FTT. If you have other good fitting heavy pellets. Yes go with them because they will be less likely to detonate and cause damage. They will still diesel but dieseling isn't nearly as bad detonation.

Excessive dieseling can still burn through piston seals. This has been an issue with a few Weihrauchs the last couple of years.

Detonation (sounds like a gun shot) will likely rupture or burn through a factory Weihrauch seal in a few shots depending on severity. It can also shorten spring life significantly.

Cleaning the oil from the transfer port and barrel can help. The majority of the detonation is the lube burning that is trapped in the seal and the brazed seam in the end of the compression tube. The best way to address it is to break down the gun and mop out the lube and lube it properly.

At that point you can check the seal for damage. It's not uncommon for the seal to be scored by the cocking slot during assembly. That can be a source of lube getting into the compression chamber. A gun with a damaged seal will likely never clear up. The cocking slot needs to be deburred and the seal replaced.

If you don't have the technical skills or willingness to do the work yourself. You can keep shooting better fitting and good fitting heavy pellets to see if it clears up. If it doesn't you can send the gun back for warranty or have someone experienced work on it for you.

Pictures are of a recent new Hw30 piston seal. In one picture you can see the two parallel grooves cut in the seal by the cocking slot edges. The other picture shows the rupture out the side of the seal from the detonation. A chronograph can help assess damage like this.

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It's pretty common for the recent JSBs to be undersized. It's also pretty common for the Weihrauchs to be over lubed. This will result in dieseling or detonation. Dieseling is when you might see smoke and smell oil but otherwise a normal shot cycle. Detonation sounds like a gun shot. It happens if there's way too much lube or it's dry fired. Yours could be a combination of not enough back pressure and too much lube.
I'd try some H&N FTTs they tend to fit tighter than the JSBs. Hopefully the gun clears up. If it keeps detonating it will burn out or rupture the piston seal. At that point its a warranty matter


Ya,. You see a lot of avid hw/ beeman"r" guys in the know pretty much take it down clean and relube properly.

Now.... I have become a believer in krytox.. I jus did nt see myself going back to traditional lubes..

Less then a years worth with hw factory stuff... Lol (R9)

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