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I have bougt a new Redwolf .177 HP

Today I did shoot it for the first time. I did 3x pull trough to clean barrel before shooting

I was at the understanding that the setting low, medium and high should be used with JSB heavy, monster and beast (or equal from Rangemaster) due to writings and reviews.

This is my results on 20yards
Low: JSB 10.34 - 930fps (1.5cm group)
Med: JSB 13.43 - 910fps (1.5cm group)
High: JSB 16.20 - 930ps (5mm group - hole in hole)

I then tried the Monster redesign 13.43 in low setting which gave 815fps and 5mm group - hole in hole
I tried the Monster 13.43 in low setting which gave 830fps and 1.5cm group

So its shooting JSB Monster redesign at low setting and JSB beast at high setting - both to perfection

is this spot on or am I missing something about pellet choice here?
 
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Lewis said:
Those look similar to my results. The 13 grain ZAN slugs also shoot very well and the 12.5 grain NSA slugs are better still. MOA at 100 yards without wind is achievable.
I am using a Heliboard and therefore have a few more options for speed settings.
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Zan 13 did not work on any of the settings.
I have ordered a heliboard - but im curious about the stock power settings - what they do the best with.
 
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msg1979 said:
I have bougt a new Redwolf .177 HP

Today I did shoot it for the first time. I did 3x pull trough to clean barrel before shooting

I was at the understanding that the setting low, medium and high should be used with JSB heavy, monster and beast (or equal from Rangemaster) due to writings and reviews.

This is my results on 20yards
Low: JSB 10.34 - 930fps (1.5cm group)
Med: JSB 13.43 - 910fps (1.5cm group)
High: JSB 16.20 - 930ps (5mm group - hole in hole)

I then tried the Monster redesign 13.43 in low setting which gave 815fps and 5mm group - hole in hole
I tried the Monster 13.43 in low setting which gave 830fps and 1.5cm group

So its shooting JSB Monster redesign at low setting and JSB beast at high setting - both to perfection

is this spot on or am I missing something about pellet choice here?
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From hundreds (likely a few thousand) 30 and 40 Yard Challenge cards we’ve accumulated data from… the 13.4s do best at 800 to 820 fps. The pellets design parameters were probably to optimize performance at 20 ft/lbs for field target shooters.

We’ve found the 10.3s very flexible with velocity. Lots of data showing excellent accuracy at 800 fps up to 920 fps.

Not many shooters have rifles that shoot the 16.2g Beasts well - at least we have not seen many leaderboard submissions with this pellet. I believe the Rick Cope ( @RCope ) has a Daystate that does. Tom Boylan ( @tommyb ) had a RAW TM initially set up for the 16.2g. Results were not good so he had the rifle retuned for 13.4g with excellent results (815fps range).

I’ve had some amazing results with AEA 8.72g at velocities up to 935fps with multiple rifles. Interestingly, this 8.72g pellet flys slower than the JSB 8.44g - back-to-back shot in the same rifle.

-Ed
 
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EPG said:
From hundreds (likely a few thousand) 30 and 40 Yard Challenge cards we’ve accumulated data from… the 13.4s do best at 800 to 820 fps. The pellets design parameters were probably to optimize performance at 20 ft/lbs for field target shooters.

We’ve found the 10.3s very flexible with velocity. Lots of data showing excellent accuracy at 800 fps up to 920 fps.

Not many shooters have rifles that shoot the 16.2g Beasts well - at least we have not seen many leaderboard submissions with this pellet. I believe the Rick Cope ( @RCope ) has a Daystate that does. Tom Boylan ( @tommyb ) had a RAW TM initially set up for the 16.2g. Results were not good so he had the rifle retuned for 13.4g with excellent results (815fps range).

I’ve had some amazing results with AEA 8.72g at velocities up to 935fps with multiple rifles. Interestingly, this 8.72g pellet flys slower than the JSB 8.44g - back-to-back shot in the same rifle.

-Ed
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Thx
Which 13.4? The monster or monster redesign?

Mine doesnt shoot the 10.3 at low setting - 920fps. Group is too big
Mine doesnt shoot monster 13.4 at 830fps in low. Groups too big

It shoots 16.2 930fps in high and 13.4 monster redesign 810fps in low - perfect groups.

Is this ok from a new redwolf?
 
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msg1979 said:
Thx
Which 13.4? The monster or monster redesign?

Mine doesnt shoot the 10.3 at low setting - 920fps. Group is too big
Mine doesnt shoot monster 13.4 at 830fps in low. Groups too big

It shoots 16.2 930fps in high and 13.4 monster redesign 810fps in low - perfect groups.

Is this ok from a new redwolf?
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I think with any gun barrels will slightly differ in preferences so I don’t think there is really a normal. The heli board should open up options a lot as you can easily tune it more fine than a stock red wolf which in reality is actually very limited unless you want to get in the weeds with the daystate tuner.
 
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Trucker3573 said:
I think with any gun barrels will slightly differ in preferences so I don’t think there is really a normal. The heli board should open up options a lot as you can easily tune it more fine than a stock red wolf which in reality is actually very limited unless you want to get in the weeds with the daystate tuner.
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I have ordered a heliboard. Should arrive in 10days
 
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msg1979 said:
I have bougt a new Redwolf .177 HP

Today I did shoot it for the first time. I did 3x pull trough to clean barrel before shooting

I was at the understanding that the setting low, medium and high should be used with JSB heavy, monster and beast (or equal from Rangemaster) due to writings and reviews.

This is my results on 20yards
Low: JSB 10.34 - 930fps (1.5cm group)
Med: JSB 13.43 - 910fps (1.5cm group)
High: JSB 16.20 - 930ps (5mm group - hole in hole)

I then tried the Monster redesign 13.43 in low setting which gave 815fps and 5mm group - hole in hole
I tried the Monster 13.43 in low setting which gave 830fps and 1.5cm group

So its shooting JSB Monster redesign at low setting and JSB beast at high setting - both to perfection

is this spot on or am I missing something about pellet choice here?
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Mine like the JSB 13.4’s both types at 810 fps so my results are similar
 
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cavedweller said:
Mine like the JSB 13.4’s both types at 810 fps so my results are similar
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Thx!
The regular monster at low setting - which gives 830fps - do not group at all. Only the redesign do group at 815fps in low setting.
I will try to see if the regular monster will group at another speed - but need heliboard to arrive for that
I would think that 810fps to 830fps - 20fps difference shouldnt open the group up that much as mine are at 830fps. But Ill see when I can tune it.
 
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msg1979 said:
Thx
Which 13.4? The monster or monster redesign?

Mine doesnt shoot the 10.3 at low setting - 920fps. Group is too big
Mine doesnt shoot monster 13.4 at 830fps in low. Groups too big

It shoots 16.2 930fps in high and 13.4 monster redesign 810fps in low - perfect groups.

Is this ok from a new redwolf?
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When I purchased my .177 RW in LP and my .177 RW in H.P., I had AOA set tune parameters as follows:
RW L.P.
low tune for 8.3’s <12 fpe WFTF legal
medium for 10.3’s @888 fps HFT legal
high for 13.4’s @815 FPS HFT legal
RW H.P.
low for 10.3 at 890 Hft legal
medium for 13.4 at 815 FPS Hft legal
high for 16.1 at 920 fps - pesting
since my main focus is field target im looking for consistent sub 1.5” groups at 55 yards, obviously smaller the group the better, but thats my standard.
My experience with Diablo shape pellets is they do best below 910 FPS With very few exceptions. Remember unless you’re in an enclosure wind and even thermal drift is a thing From moment to moment.
 
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When I purchased my .177 RW in LP and my .177 RW in H.P., I had AOA set tune parameters as follows:
RW L.P.
low tune for 8.3’s <12 fpe WFTF legal
medium for 10.3’s @888 fps HFT legal
high for 13.4’s @815 FPS HFT legal
RW H.P.
low for 10.3 at 890 Hft legal
medium for 13.4 at 815 FPS Hft legal
high for 16.1 at 920 fps - pesting
since my main focus is field target im looking for consistent sub 1.5” groups at 55 yards, obviously smaller the group the better, but thats my standard.
My experience with Diablo shape pellets is they do best below 910 FPS With very few exceptions. Remember unless you’re in an enclosure wind and even thermal drift is a thing From moment to moment.
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Thx. Looks like the stock redwolf need a tune. Ill go for tuning when heliboard arrives
 
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Try Daystate pellets.
My Redwolf is a Safari HP in .25 cal.
I purchased it "pre-owned" from AoA. It was owned/tuned by one of the owners. I was told (when I ordered it) to shoot Rangemaster 33.9 pellets out of it. So I ordered a bunch of tins at the same time. Getting sub MOA, all day long. Hole in hole out to 75 yards. Still sub MOA at 100 yards. Bought JSB of the Sam weight and they were horrible. I compared the consistency in weight on a scale. JSB's were all over the place and Rangemasters were VERY consistent. The Rangemasters ARE made in the JSB factory. I don't care what anyone says, THEY ARE DIFFERENT. I have put JSBs and Rangemasters side by side and there ARE noticeable differences. I have literally discarded my JSB pellets since they're useless to me. Of course I could weigh and sort them, but WHY.
My rifle is shooting Rangemaster Emperor 33.95 on high power at 936 fps. At medium power, I shoot JTS Dead Center 29.63 pellets at 935 fps.
 
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