Daystate New Daystate Delta Wolf, erratic velocity with advanced setting

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Interesting and puzzling ... the suggestion about sorting might be worth a try ... or different , more consistent pellets. There were a few broken hammer return springs in one batch of rifles. It's worth looking at but unlikely. In my hands, I'd be going over everything to do with the hammer and solenoid connection... checking for loose or contaminated ... It should NOT take 15 shots to settle and if the reg is low enough, first shot out should be right on in Advanced mode ...
So inconsistent pellets or inconsistent hammer are about the only possibilities. The program itself in Advanced mode would be a HIGHLY unlikely source.
Factory mode is a different thing though. Odd that it's more consistent there...
Bob
 
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Here is the string of shots this morning. Read it like text left to right, top to bottom. Took about 11 shots before it stabilized and then it got really consistent.

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Talked to Shane at AoA regarding the long ramp up before the velocity stabilizes in advanced mode. He suggested putting 5-10 drops of silicone oil into the gun from the vent hole that is on the bottom of the metal part of the receiver behind the grip almost all the way plastic part that houses the computer and display. The hole is an atmospheric vent that connects to a chamber that leads to the valve and some moving part with an o-ring. Apparently this o-ring can get dry and cause the type of issue I am seeing. Did the silicone oil treatment and let the rifle sit muzzle down so the oil would get up to the mechanism. Definitely seeing a marked improvement with it taking 4-5 shot to stabilize. Will see if some shooting gets the lube where it needs to be. If not will try another round of silicone oil. If that doesn’t do it Shane is going to have me send the rifle back and they will pull the valve and lube the o-ring directly.

Working on making my own magazines as the factory price is crazy. Got some CARM magazines and the work great but with the change coming up regarding de minimus tariff ending making the delivered price unknown thought I would make some. First ones were filament printed but the rotation was not as smooth as I wanted. Current pictured version is SLA printed. Runs super smooth but the lid where the hinge pins are is a little delicate. Will do more testing and may try a hybrid with a filament printed lid and the rest SLA. Hardest part was figuring out the mandrel size to wind the spring on. Only bought pieces are the flat head screw that holds the rotating part to the body, the hinge pins, and the magnets.
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Glad to see it working itself out. 4-5 shots isn’t bad. Neither of mine fire the first shot of the day to speed when turned on. Usually 1-2 shots. To me is what it is, no big deal. I think part of the issue is this gun is made to run to a wide range of power. Like anything made to do such a thing when you run it at either extreme end of the spectrum it probably won’t be quite as good. Yours is on the very low end of its capabilities so it most likely plays a role.
 
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Trucker3573 said:
Glad to see it working itself out. 4-5 shots isn’t bad. Neither of mine fire the first shot of the day to speed when turned on. Usually 1-2 shots. To me is what it is, no big deal. I think part of the issue is this gun is made to run to a wide range of power. Like anything made to do such a thing when you run it at either extreme end of the spectrum it probably won’t be quite as good. Yours is on the very low end of its capabilities so it most likely plays a role.
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I think I remember a post one time saying that if you run your reg 5 bar or so higher than what's requested by the rifle it helps with the first shot being better. Can't remember exactly what it was. I think it was in factory mode also.
 
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Trucker3573 said:
Glad to see it working itself out. 4-5 shots isn’t bad. Neither of mine fire the first shot of the day to speed when turned on. Usually 1-2 shots. To me is what it is, no big deal. I think part of the issue is this gun is made to run to a wide range of power. Like anything made to do such a thing when you run it at either extreme end of the spectrum it probably won’t be quite as good. Yours is on the very low end of its capabilities so it most likely plays a role.
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Hadn’t thought about being on the low end of the power curve but there is definitely a certain amount of sense that it would work better further away from the ends.
 
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Does the AW not use the chrono feedback on the new advanced models? It doesn't look like it from those pics as you can't set a pellet speed and weight and in the old software this is what is used for setting velocity, but I do find the system slow to sort out its speed when first turned on, not sure about the validity of the silicone oil thing as it's just a solenoid hammer with a conventional closed valve system.
 
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Does the AW not use the chrono feedback on the new advanced models? It doesn't look like it from those pics as you can't set a pellet speed and weight and in the old software this is what is used for setting velocity, but I do find the system slow to sort out its speed when first turned on, not sure about the validity of the silicone oil thing as it's just a solenoid hammer with a conventional closed valve system.
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Yes it does but only in Factory Mode. There is also Advanced Mode where you set your own voltage and duration. This mode is supposed to be the most consistent as the parameters are fixed.
Regarding the silicone oil, Shane is the head of the Daystate USA importer service department so quite credible. Also, it did greatly improve the consistency. You are correct on the mechanism but there is an oring on the valve that when lacking lube apparently causes the valve to not open and close consistently after sitting some time.
 
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After 3-4 shots for the computer to adjust factory mode is quite consistent. Trying advanced mode as people seem to indicate it is more consistent.
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That's somewhat discouraging. How slow are the first few shots? I'm thinking of buying the Delta Wolf in .22cal and would prefer something with the first shot being as close to where it should be if possible. I never noticed any variation with the 2 Red Wolfs I had.
 
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Corvid_hunter said:
That's somewhat discouraging. How slow are the first few shots? I'm thinking of buying the Delta Wolf in .22cal and would prefer something with the first shot being as close to where it should be if possible. I never noticed any variation with the 2 Red Wolfs I had.
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Pretty much the universal answer I have heard is the 1st shot after sitting is always slow. I haven't checked with a chronograph to see how my other air rifles handle the first shot but others have commented that the first shot being off is common regardless of brand or model. Interesting that you are seeing good first shot consistency with the Red Wolf. Have one that is supposed to be delivered today. Will break out the chronograph and see what the results look like for first vs later shots. It is a 22 and I will be converting to a 177 once the remaining parts needed arrive and I get the Helli Board installed. Will be interesting to see if there is a difference between calibers. For that matter I should put in the 22 barrel kit I have into the Delta Wolf and see if consistency is better in the bigger caliber.
 
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My experience is def the first shot is slow after it sits or basically when you turn it on or make an adjustment to a new setting. Not a biggie just a dry fire before hunting. I have also noticed with mine I think you need to get the voltage in the right spot for what you are trying to do. Otherwise the advanced mode settings seem to change speed a bit with temp fluctuations. I believe you need to find the highest voltage where basically you aren’t wasting air. Like a hammer pre load. Get the highest voltage for your reg where increasing it more doesn’t increase speed. That seems to settle it for day to day usage.
 
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