Just saw on pyramid air that they released the née Benjamin Gunnar, anybody else think that’s it’s just a Hatsan factor? Not interested in buying one just curious about if Hatsan makes it for them
New Benjamin Gunnar
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I believe it's a Kral Jumbo Dazzle/black with a new design on the trigger guard, a flush magazine (higher pic rail machined on top of receiver) and regulated. Since they have been working with Kral on the Craftsman series it makes more sense that the Hatsan.
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This is the Kral Dazzle/Black and as you can see it's much closer than the one you want it to be. 
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It’s definitely one or the other, don’t know why anyone would pay $1000 for that though, just get a kral or Hatsan
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It's regulated... Some different design factors. And the warranty will be better for those who don't work on this type of thing.
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Having owned several Kral's, many Hatsan's and Lot's on Crosman/ Benjamin's I'll take the Kral over the Hatsan and a Benjamin warranty over all..
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Agreed.
Also, just like Cayden/Akela/Kratos, they may look and behave very similar to their Kral brethren, but they have different parts where it counts. Note the Kral "block" (or "drop block" as I've heard it referred to), is just like in a puncher, an "L" shape. The Benjamins are all a solid rectangle. This looks like it has the same block that's in the Cayden/Akela/Kratos, so it's not just a re-badged Jumbo. Likewise comparing Puncher Pro 500 vs. Kratos, very similar look, but actually virtually no parts interchange. As much as these look alike, they will not be the same rifle from a parts stand point unless Benjamin has begun a new relationship with Hatsan that none of us are aware of. Hatsan's block does look more like a Benjy Craftsman block...
All of these are trying to look like an impact, but are really just their regular sport rifle parts minus the wooden or synthetic stock. They are not semi bullpup, they do not have big plenums, they do not get the barrel lower down,. they only share the skeletonized look.
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It resembles EVERY black bottle gun on the market because that’s what it is, a black bottle gun. They all “look“ similar. But it is it’s own thing, just like the Factor is not the same as the Dazzle and none of them are the same as a Dreamtac. Based on looks alone it looks more well thought out than the Factor or the Dazzle. The Factor and the Dazzle both look much more clunky to me and the Gunnar looks a lot more refined to me.
Saying it is a just a redesigned this or that might as well be applied to every bottle gun on the market.
A couple years ago Crosman did a focus group type thing and had a group of people fill out a questionnaire on what type airguns they would like to see the company focus on, what features they should have and what price point people would expect to see them offered at. I would expect a healthy number of forum members here participated in that survey as well. A short time later they brought out the Craftsman series and those rifles ticked the box of pretty much everything people said they wanted. The Gunnar is yet another offering that people said they had interest in (That’s a product I asked for on my questionnaire anyway). After seeing the quality of my Kratos and Cayden I am eagerly anticipating getting the Gunnar. I don’t think I’m going to be disappointed.
Saying it is a just a redesigned this or that might as well be applied to every bottle gun on the market.
A couple years ago Crosman did a focus group type thing and had a group of people fill out a questionnaire on what type airguns they would like to see the company focus on, what features they should have and what price point people would expect to see them offered at. I would expect a healthy number of forum members here participated in that survey as well. A short time later they brought out the Craftsman series and those rifles ticked the box of pretty much everything people said they wanted. The Gunnar is yet another offering that people said they had interest in (That’s a product I asked for on my questionnaire anyway). After seeing the quality of my Kratos and Cayden I am eagerly anticipating getting the Gunnar. I don’t think I’m going to be disappointed.
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I am guessing that they are keeping this 3000psi thing going for this who use a pump. Outside of that I don't understand why they didn't have this thing at 3300psi-3600psi.
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That's how Crosman is giving the customer that 'free' 5-year warranty by charging more than those who sell the same platform for less.
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To me, the real question is how good does it shoot? Who makes the barrel? Can you get the power high enough to shoot slug?
It took me a while to worm up to the looks of the AR, the Gunnar looks fine to me. Compared to an Fx impact, I guess this is a price point gun.
It took me a while to worm up to the looks of the AR, the Gunnar looks fine to me. Compared to an Fx impact, I guess this is a price point gun.
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These are in the hands of “reviewers” as we speak, I would guess a bunch of reviews in the next couple of weeks. If this is on par with the Craftsman series guns, this will be a winner, not everyone wants to spend $2000+ for an airgun.
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I have a Kratos, it has a L block. I have a Kral Bighorn and it is built much sturdier and made far better.
Both if mine are 3625 PSI fill guns, the Kratos was a 3000 psi fill gun, it is now regulated and has a 3625 psi TTunes bottle.
The Kral has been tweaked by Troy Hammer, the tight choke removed for my slugs, still has the same velocity and is a 80-85 FPE gun, depending on slug weight. The Kratos is ported and pushes Kings to 1025 fps when unregged.
The Kratos is a superbly accurate gun, but since I got the Bighorn, the Kratos stays regulated at 25 FPE. Regulating got rid of the bottle ping and made it far more efficient compared to using that silly power adjuster.
A Crosman engener who posts on another forum, states he was working on the Gunner before the Hatsan Factor was introduced.
Regards,
Roachcreek
Both if mine are 3625 PSI fill guns, the Kratos was a 3000 psi fill gun, it is now regulated and has a 3625 psi TTunes bottle.
The Kral has been tweaked by Troy Hammer, the tight choke removed for my slugs, still has the same velocity and is a 80-85 FPE gun, depending on slug weight. The Kratos is ported and pushes Kings to 1025 fps when unregged.
The Kratos is a superbly accurate gun, but since I got the Bighorn, the Kratos stays regulated at 25 FPE. Regulating got rid of the bottle ping and made it far more efficient compared to using that silly power adjuster.
A Crosman engener who posts on another forum, states he was working on the Gunner before the Hatsan Factor was introduced.
Regards,
Roachcreek
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I love the continuously variable transfer port adjuster on my Cayden and Akela. You can set your hammer spring to shoot your heaviest pellets at their preferred velocity (say 875fps with JSB 18.13) with the transfer port full open. Then, you can use the knob as a transfer port restrictor - to dial down velocity when you shoot lighter weight pellets (i.e. JSB 15.89) to get maximum accuracy. I’m primarily a target shooter and pellets only - so being able to easily tune pellet velocity is more important than power to me.
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Couldn’t agree more!!! Now and days the competition is stiff even in the 600 dollar range so good luck trying to sell that for 1000 even with a good warranty! a regulator ain’t worth 400 bucks! It’s only 50 dollar less than a FX Dreamline classic or 200 less than a Dreamline tactical that is made in Sweden? You got to be kidding! The crosman gunner is a joke, should of priced it at $699!
even at 600 bucks I would take an AEA SS plus+ over the crosman gunner…….in fact one should show up at my door today.
also keep in mind Turkey currency dropped by 50%!!! Price of Turkey guns should reflect that!!!
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Or you can get this Eastern European Beauties for 1199
https://utahairguns.com/airmaks-katran-compact/
Or a fully tuned KRAL from Troy Hammer for less then a Grand
I think Turkish guns are fantastic in the 500-700 bucks range, once you hit 1000 out the door stock,....all nother cup of tea.
https://utahairguns.com/airmaks-katran-compact/
Or a fully tuned KRAL from Troy Hammer for less then a Grand
I think Turkish guns are fantastic in the 500-700 bucks range, once you hit 1000 out the door stock,....all nother cup of tea.
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Reximex nyx but I'm sure we all knew that by now. I have the Gunnar and it's extremely accurate. Underpowered. But dependable and not a bad first PCP. Mine came with a compressor so the gun only came out to about 600, which is about the max you'd want to pay for it. But again, extremely accurate gun.
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