need help with Williams FP-ag-tk

[boogermeister]

Upon everyone's recommendation on witch sight to buy (low line of sight or high line of sight) I bought the above sight. Wouldn't you know it, the gun shoots 7" high at 22 yards with the sight lowered all the way. Does anyone know of a riser that will fit the front sight dovetails on a HW35? If there is, I can't find it. I really want to use it, if it won't work out I will scope the gun(maybe) or just use the factory sights. I can always try the sight on my CZ452fs. With my luck it won't work on it either and I will have a $70 piece of aluminum in my parts drawer until I die. If anyone can help, I would appreciate it! Thanks----

 

[Yo]

Bend your barrel down that's real simple or if you're too scared then just glue a small piece of plastic clamshell wrap you need an exacto to cut open color it black or paint it fluorescent neon to extend the front sight insert a little higher. A piece of throw away used up credit or gift card may work too if not too thick.

 

[boogermeister]

Thanks Yo, I took some measurements and to extend the front sight, it would put the blade right at the top of the hood. Call me chicken, but as far as bending the barrel, with my luck I would bend it off to the side as well as down. I can do mechanical things, but I know my limits and have no doubt I would really screw up an accurate barrel.

 

[Guest]

I think you'll save yourself frustration, hit the target more often, and not need to deal with scope stops if you find the Williams sight migrates on the HW35 with what is really the best solution, an Anschutz 6207. Save the Williams for an R7-HW30 or other low power AG?

 

[boogermeister]

So the Anschutz 6207 works with the factory sight? Is there a source for these other than fleebay and the guy from Bulgaria where you have to wait 4 months for delivery?

 

[Guest]

It works well with the factory front sight on R1 or HW35. If you look closely here, with the R1 (and possibly with the HW35) you might need a scope stop with the FP AG. You will not with the Anschutz. Flea bay often has them for sale. 

 

[Yo]

I think the HW35 front globe rides on 8mm dovetail rails maybe the $35 Anshutz front riser might help some or maybe a bit too much.

 

[Michigander]

For your reference, the pictured Anschutz sight in its lowest position puts the center of the aperture about 0.53" above the top of the receiver. And it fits an 11 mm rail. My 1975 HW55 has a 12.7 mm rail. if yours is an older gun I would check the rail width just to make sure.

 

[Michigander]

CC does sell an 8.5 mm riser block set for FWB, PN 17529152. The HW front rail is 8.5 mm so they might fit. I would call and verify that the 8.5 mm refers to the rail width and not the riser height. My old style Anschutz front sight is a very loose fit on the HW front rail, both cut and swaged. In fact it is probably not useable on the swaged rail without shimming. That makes me wonder if the sights and risers designed for the old style "standard base" will fit the HW rifles without modification. Maybe not. It seems every manufacturer has developed their own set of rail specifications that can make interchangeability a bit hit or miss.

 

[boogermeister]

I saw that riser at Champions Choice, I believe that 8.5mm is the height. I got exited when I first saw it, then the letdown.

 

[Guest]

The receiver-spring tube and barrel relationship, and the front sight on the R1 and HW35E are the same. A Williams FP AG sight works well on an R1; it must work on a HW35. As Yo implied, you barrel must be bent upwards. Try to look down the axis of the gun and see if you detect the upwards direction? I'd be afraid to bend it up too!

 

[Yo]

NO he needs to BEND IT DOWN a little (or use it for 50 yard and farther open sight shooting).

Hey good news since it appears opposite of the dreaded barrel droop he should be able to use a scope and shoot mid to far distances without running out of clicks.

 

[Yo]

Really sounds like your gun may have been accidentally slam fired while barrel was in the cocked and breech open position.

 

[orangeit]

I'm in agreement with YO on this one. For the quick, easy and free solution, I'd bend the barrel.

My basement stairs don't have risers, just treads. For barrel bending, I just stick the barrel in between two stair treads and bend to the desired amount, shoot it and do more if needed. start out with small pressure to get the feel for it. You don't even need to take the gun apart, maybe just the front sight. take care to protect the blueing. it just takes a nudge or two in the right direction and you will be right on target. the first time i did it, i thought about it for days and then went for it, it was over in a minute and that Diana now uses an optically centered scope. an alternative to my stair method, you can go out to the woods and find two close together trees to lever the barrel in between, as well. 



when using your factory sights, are they maxed out or in the middle of their range? i have gone from factory weihrauch sights to the fp-ag with out this problem. 

 

[boogermeister]

Factory sights work great, no issues. The gun has never been fired with an open breech, unless AOA did it when testing, but sighting down the barrel it looks straight as an arrow. Thats ok, I took the sight off and threw it inthe parts drawer. Will just use the factory sights, I do ok with them.

 

[Guest]

After you mentioned your problem with your FP AG TK, I'd suggested an Anschutz 6702 which I have and like on my HW35E. One of these 6702 just sold on ebay for over $200; this is TOTALLY INSANE. It seems your happy with the stock open sights on your airgun: good for you!