Need help choosing a springer

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One of the last HW springers I bought was a laminate HW30s with the silencer and it cost over $500 and only AoA sells it. I had a Vortek kit installed I felt it needed so that is over the budget but the standard HW30s even with the laminate stock would be a wiser choice IMHO the sound difference seems very minimal hard to tell compared to my unsilenced 30s and R7. YO!
 
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Intenseaty22

Really nice job on the video; great info, but, as shootable as the HW 30 is( and this interests me) I may want a little more power; don't know.

Yo

Is the FWB300s still made? all I can find are very high end guns.
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Sorry, just saw. I like 12fpe on my Springers in .177, if you need more power than the HE30. That’s more than enough for squirrels at 30 yards. Definitely plenty for paper punching. 

I would look at the HW 50, 95, 97. Or Walther LGV/LGU
 
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I had an R8/HW50 a while back, and now have an R9 with a short barrel and tuned down to 12 ft-lb. My R9 does have a bit of a crack to it, to the point where it is a little annoying indoors. I also have an HW55M, which is the same power class gun as the HW30s, and it is definitely more pleasant to shoot indoors.

I have more powerful guns, but have found 12 ft-lbs to be enough in .177 to shoot accurately out to 50 yards. I have shot my FWB 300s, which is a 6 ft-lb gun, at 50 yards but had to crank the scope way up to do it. For distances over 25 yards or so I would want something closer to that 12 ft-lb level.

Bottom line is that for indoors, or outdoors to 25 yards the HW30s would be my choice. For longer distances I would go with the HW50s. If I really found the noise that much of a problem, I would tune the 50s down a bit. My memory of the R8 is that noise was never that much of a problem.
 
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Intenseaty22

That is one nice gun I will consider. Also, I've been looking at the Weihrauch HW50S Hunter .177 due to silencer. I am concerned about the HW scope not holding up to the extra power.
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The scope is actually surprisingly clear. It’s only a 4x withe just plain crosshairs. I have been told it’s a re-branded BSA. Not top of line, but I think it will hold up to the 30 just fine. It’s a package deal unfortunately, I changed it out & put on a Hawke 2-7 Airmax. 
 
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I have both the old vintage Beeman R8 and the current HW50s and I don't think they are the same gun. Regarding the FWB 300s I have more than a few and got varying chrony numbers from gun to gun ranging from 63x. 64x. 66x. 68x. 71x.fps. My different HW30s and R7 62x. 64x 70x but they were tuned for more power with the Vortek kits. I state my claim about the about the same to a little more power than the HWs based on my chrony data. I haven't installed the Jim Macarri Arctic springs in any of my 300s yet so I'm sure they are going to shoot even faster. YO!
 
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That's the HW50s that I have with the silencer that came with the HW BSA scope and the HW30s laminate with HW BSA scope with the silencer too. They were the most expensive ones of their model sold exclusively at AoA. The expensive silenced HW50s is still louder than the unsilenced HW30s. The silencer HW30s is only a little quieter than an unsilenced HW30s I know this fact because I have them all. YO!
 
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OK my unsilenced Beeman R8 in 177 is quieter than my silenced HW50s. It is only a hair more effort not that noticeable to cock my R8 compared to my R7 and HW30s. The HW50s is significantly harder to cock than my R8. I could cock and shoot my R8 all day long whereas with the HW50s I can't due to fatigue from cocking it even with the long silencer used as leverage as a cocking aid. YO!
 
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To be honest I really don't know why there's a big significant difference in cocking effort between the HW30s and 50s. An RWS Diana 34 which is more powerful gun is easier to cock than my HW50s. I will tell you that out of all of my springers I grab either my FWB300s or Diana 75 or Diana 54 or 56 if I had to bet money on hitting out to 50 yards shooting a springer and these are all recoilless springers takes away the human error or your off day factor. I like the 300s because it's the quietest springer I have and effortless one finger cocking to enjoy all day shooting without even needing to try hard to hit things and will shoot just about any pellet with good accuracy even the really cheap pellets from Walmart. I have taken out pest birds out to 50 yards with several of my 300s drops them hard no flutter dead on impact no exit wound unless head shots when I get the chance that makes them flutter half the head blown off even using the 300s I know the clicks or holdover I need on my scope to do 50. When I shoot with my high power RWS 54 or 56 not always stone cold dead but blows right thru them. YO!
 
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I can't really compare the HW50 to my old R8 since I have never owned the HW50. I just know that they have both been sold as a springer with power intermediate between the R7/HW30 and the R9/HW95. I think when you start talking about noise and cocking effort it becomes rather subjective. That said, I can shoot maybe 100 rounds through my R9 before getting tired, but I have been doing it a while. No doubt though that the HW30 would be easier cocking, and quieter too. So the question comes down to whether you would be willing to put up with a little extra cocking effort and noise in order to be able to shoot more effectively at longer ranges.

On Annies, my first was a 141, then I added a 54 Sporter and a 64 MPR. Love them all, but shoot the Sporter more than the others.

When you do get your springer, it will be like learning to shoot your rimfire all over again, except groups at 25 yards will be about what you get from a good rimfire at 50 yards. Get good pellets, I use JSBs and find them most reliable. Use the match flat head pellets indoors to get clean holes, and use the field target round head pellets for good stability and accuracy at longer ranges and in the wind. Experiment with where to rest the rifle, usually somewhere around the balance point, and pay close attention to hand shoulder and cheek pressure. Sound familiar?

Hey, welcome to the club and have a blast!
 
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Sounds like Yo isn't going to give up on trying to sell you on a FWB 300s. I will never get rid of mine for sure. It has been completely reliable for 35 years, and I shoot it a lot in the winter. Definitely if you can find one in good shape for a fair price, buy it. I can't imagine regreting it. The only reason not to would be if the weight would really bother you. It is an Olympic style rifle and has those dimensions and mass.
 
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Agree with the recommendations above. I've got the HW30, 95L, and 97K: all three are superb guns that deliver dead-on accuracy. The 30 is my favorite due to its quietness and light weight! I can shoot it off-hand and achieve very good results. The 95 is about 3lbs heavier (with scope) and much louder (compared to the 30). The 97K is nearly 10.5 scoped, same loudness as the 95 but has a much smoother shot cycle. From a rest I'm accurate; without one, I'm hilariously pitiful. Hence, my 30 is the go to gun for pest eradicaiton.



If weight and loudness is not an issue, the 95 or 97 are great. 



Have fun with whatever you get,



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