Here's what I did to make my loud Prophet Compact a LOT quieter, without additional outside help. This is not a glue in "fender washer" or two as baffles deal.
I like short guns. A Prophet or even the Compact...with a silencer, LDC, moderator, muffler, suppressor, or any other device hanging off the end of the barrel/shroud to make it a bit less noisy, is not my idea of short.
After getting my Prophet Compact the other day, and was very disappointed at the sound level, I wanted to figure out a way to make it quieter without the extra length hanging off of the far end.
After removing the shrouds end cap, I noticed the disk full of small holes screwed to the end of the barrel. After some though, I figured to remove the disc, and cut it into a triangle, so much more air would pass into the large plenum area behind it. After finally getting the shroud off, I found that the "disc" was also attached to the barrel...VERY tightly. I could not get it to budge. (either rifle). So I figured that I'd just carefully remove "some" material to open the air passage and still support the barrel.
The next day as I was waking up, I started wondering about the baffles in the Daystate Renegade. What's the tube outside diameters ? I measured them, they are within a few thousandths. I removed the baffles from the Renegade (5) and put one into the Compact shroud. A little loose a fit. I put a wrap of aluminum tape around it so it would fit a little tighter and still move in the shroud.
THAT"S part of the key here. The baffles NEED to move to do their job. I had a short spring of the correct diameter handy, and I cut it so that with the shroud, just touching the threads in the body of the frame/receiver, and all five baffles in place, I put the end cap on the shroud, and the shroud fully in place on the gun. This light spring load would hold the baffles in place, but will also let them move quickly upon seeing shot pressure. I put a coupla pellets in the magazine, pointed it at my indoor target and pulled the trigger. It put out about one half of the sound than the gun did as with either the 0dB or the Tatsu silencer (muffler ?) in place. VERY notably quieter than with even add-on silencers
Sometime back, I made up my own moving chamber baffle system in the "can" of my BP17. I had tried three or four different YouTube methods with no success. Then using RC car gears and some other parts, I had a moving chamber baffle system that did a decent job of cutting the sound level of the BP17. The same basic thought for the RTI guns.
Back to today. I called a noted Daystate dealer to see if they had any Renegade, Pulsar baffles. They did. I needed enough to refill my Renegade and fill my Prophet. Interesting thing, the guy I was talking to told me that the Daystate baffles screwed up the accuracy. I mentioned that I hadn't noticed that in my Renegade or my Pulsar, we'll see. But this is now a different beast I experimenting on...so...I need to check this carefully.
FX, 18.1 pellets filled the magazine, 100 bar in my regulator adjustment, I put the cats in the bedroom and opened the back door so I could get a little longer shot than normal. I stood back about 20 yrds. After four magazines full, off hand shooting, at a "cent" (NOT a penny!) coin sized black target, 10 rounds each magazine, I saw no signs of any baffle influence on the accuracy. I shot four magazines (10 ea) through the gun (at different times, the neighbors you know), opening a single hole just a hair larger than a quarter. The same thing happened with all four magazines.
Maybe today was just my day. The other day, I was shooting my Ocelot (single shot pistol) and was doing terrible. A gun I normally shoot well ! Today...all good...and quiet. I need to do some checking, but it's one of two of my quietest guns now. I'll keep close watch on the accuracy during future shooting sessions to see if the baffles hurt the accuracy.
The Daystate baffles are staying in my RTI Prophet Performance Compact.
That's my two and a half day experiment that ended well.
MIke
I like short guns. A Prophet or even the Compact...with a silencer, LDC, moderator, muffler, suppressor, or any other device hanging off the end of the barrel/shroud to make it a bit less noisy, is not my idea of short.
After getting my Prophet Compact the other day, and was very disappointed at the sound level, I wanted to figure out a way to make it quieter without the extra length hanging off of the far end.
After removing the shrouds end cap, I noticed the disk full of small holes screwed to the end of the barrel. After some though, I figured to remove the disc, and cut it into a triangle, so much more air would pass into the large plenum area behind it. After finally getting the shroud off, I found that the "disc" was also attached to the barrel...VERY tightly. I could not get it to budge. (either rifle). So I figured that I'd just carefully remove "some" material to open the air passage and still support the barrel.
The next day as I was waking up, I started wondering about the baffles in the Daystate Renegade. What's the tube outside diameters ? I measured them, they are within a few thousandths. I removed the baffles from the Renegade (5) and put one into the Compact shroud. A little loose a fit. I put a wrap of aluminum tape around it so it would fit a little tighter and still move in the shroud.
THAT"S part of the key here. The baffles NEED to move to do their job. I had a short spring of the correct diameter handy, and I cut it so that with the shroud, just touching the threads in the body of the frame/receiver, and all five baffles in place, I put the end cap on the shroud, and the shroud fully in place on the gun. This light spring load would hold the baffles in place, but will also let them move quickly upon seeing shot pressure. I put a coupla pellets in the magazine, pointed it at my indoor target and pulled the trigger. It put out about one half of the sound than the gun did as with either the 0dB or the Tatsu silencer (muffler ?) in place. VERY notably quieter than with even add-on silencers
Sometime back, I made up my own moving chamber baffle system in the "can" of my BP17. I had tried three or four different YouTube methods with no success. Then using RC car gears and some other parts, I had a moving chamber baffle system that did a decent job of cutting the sound level of the BP17. The same basic thought for the RTI guns.
Back to today. I called a noted Daystate dealer to see if they had any Renegade, Pulsar baffles. They did. I needed enough to refill my Renegade and fill my Prophet. Interesting thing, the guy I was talking to told me that the Daystate baffles screwed up the accuracy. I mentioned that I hadn't noticed that in my Renegade or my Pulsar, we'll see. But this is now a different beast I experimenting on...so...I need to check this carefully.
FX, 18.1 pellets filled the magazine, 100 bar in my regulator adjustment, I put the cats in the bedroom and opened the back door so I could get a little longer shot than normal. I stood back about 20 yrds. After four magazines full, off hand shooting, at a "cent" (NOT a penny!) coin sized black target, 10 rounds each magazine, I saw no signs of any baffle influence on the accuracy. I shot four magazines (10 ea) through the gun (at different times, the neighbors you know), opening a single hole just a hair larger than a quarter. The same thing happened with all four magazines.
Maybe today was just my day. The other day, I was shooting my Ocelot (single shot pistol) and was doing terrible. A gun I normally shoot well ! Today...all good...and quiet. I need to do some checking, but it's one of two of my quietest guns now. I'll keep close watch on the accuracy during future shooting sessions to see if the baffles hurt the accuracy.
The Daystate baffles are staying in my RTI Prophet Performance Compact.
That's my two and a half day experiment that ended well.
MIke
