Benjamin Muting the Marauder (How to make the quietest Marauder possible)

I find the nylon hammers to be quieter than the metal ones, but JSAR's will be too heavy for your use at that low a regulated pressure (they run about 34 grams or so - heavier than the Hill hammer). In truth, even Hill's ~25 gram aluminum hammer is probably too heavy for a short dwell time on a 1300 psi regulator setting. People used to make custom weight nylon hammers back in the day when the Marauder was the hot ticket, but no so much anymore . . . I have not used Hill's stuff - I've only seen pictures online - but maybe you could drill out the vent holes in the hammer to lighten it up some. I'd want to get it under 20 grams for what you are doing, maybe even down to 15 grams or so.

Another path you could try would be to actually put a stiffer return spring in the valve - that should help counteract the hammer strike and shorten the dwell time. Almost nobody talks or thinks about doing that, but that is because most are going in the opposite direction you are (going for more power / higher pressures).

Honestly, I find the quietest operation at a given power level from well tuned guns tends to occur at higher pressures, not lower pressures. This is because the higher pressure air pulse can actually involve less total air release as the pellet accelerates faster on it with less total air released - the lower pressure pulse has to last longer. When you say the gun was louder at the higher regulated pressures, was the loudness from the muzzle blast or the mechanical action.

I have JSAR's balanced valve, and I do like the latest version. But at the low regulated pressures you are running it really does not offer you any advantages - you'd probably need an even lighter hammer to get the dwell down where you need it. The main benefit of a balanced valve is that they open with a lower striking force, and you really don't need that for what you are trying to accomplish - a "normal non-balanced valve" would be best in your case. I can tell you that my JSAR valve is in a Gen I .25 caliber shooting 25.4 grain pellets at ~910 FPS for about 47 FPE, regulated at 1900 psi, with a 36 gram hammer (with striker), BSTALEY buffer o-rings, and a transfer sleeve and barrel port of 0.185", uses the JSAR TSS/SSG, and it cocks effortlessley . The BSTALEY buffer is something you could try too with the Hill hammer you have, as it will help manage some of the excess hammer energy - I found better results in my .25 with the heavier hammer and the buffer than I did with either a 20 or 25 gram hammer without the buffer (and could not make the power I wanted with the lighter hammers with the buffer). You san search on here for more info on the method if you are interested.

Regulating the gun will always do more for reducing ping than any depinger will, although some of the depinger designs are better than others. Hopefully Huma will sell you a plain smaller plenum, although having a spare regulator is not a bad thing if they won't - they all need rebuilt every so often, and having one ready to go in a swap is nice to have on hand when you need it - then you can rebuild the other reg at your leisure.
omg I just looked up the bstaley mod! I’ve already seen this and forgot about it!!! Thank you!
 
Was it the 2024model? They did a redesign of their parts a couple years back. The video I mentioned about the fully JSAR modded marauder was testing their new manufacturing. I also realized after the fact that it was most likely a lighter pellet though because he said it was 28FPE.
i cant remember maybe 2023 but a few years before that too , supposedly the last one was better and still crunchy ruff and nasty stiction and that was after sending it back because it was so bad you wouldent dare tear your gun down expecting anything but a problem , im shooting a 16 gr at around 900 fps. so the hill valve is perfict , it can sit for 6 months and your first shot is the same as the next , and it has JSAR hammer and SSG and end cap , its super smooth cocking and shoots great , its really doing what i want , ground squirrels 60 70 yards or more no problem , if i need more power i use a different gun ! i think more people get hung up on big power and end up with a gun that they cant just shoot where i can ,
 
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Yes increase hole size in air strippers radial holes to 3/16".
Try a silicone earplug inside hammer spring to damp spring twang.
Yes a non metallic hammer of sufficient weight will be quieter and easier to cock.
I did this on my first air stripper all angled back to the action and it helped quite a bit. Then I shot a double feed and it was no more. 😅
 
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id stay away from those JSAR valves , ive had stiction problems and leaks , over 5 try's ! other parts they have are really nice ,

Not had any problem with my JSAR valved rifle. I also have the Hill valve, completely different in behavior.

I just do not find the (.25) Marauder to need much to be quiet. Two of mine have shortened shrouds and fewer cups and are still relatively quiet. The hammer systems seem to produce more noise than the shot. In my two unregulated rifles I use a bottle brush depinger and the AGR hybrid aluminum tube or the JSAR aluminum tube changes the ping to a dull thunk even without a bottle brush depinger.
 
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Not had any problem with my JSAR valved rifle. I also have the Hill valve, completely different in behavior.

I just do not find the (.25) Marauder to need much to be quiet. Two of mine have shortened shrouds and fewer cups and are still relatively quiet. The hammer systems seem to produce more noise than the shot. In m y two unregulated rifles I use a bottle brush depiner and the AGR hybrid aluminum tube or the JSAR aluminum tube changes the ping to a dull thunk even without a bottle brush depinder.
Yeh it’s the hammer I need to quiet, could you tell me how the two valves seem different to you? Your the first person I’ve heard has tried both on the marauder.
 
Not had any problem with my JSAR valved rifle. I also have the Hill valve, completely different in behavior.

I just do not find the (.25) Marauder to need much to be quiet. Two of mine have shortened shrouds and fewer cups and are still relatively quiet. The hammer systems seem to produce more noise than the shot. In m y two unregulated rifles I use a bottle brush depiner and the AGR hybrid aluminum tube or the JSAR aluminum tube changes the ping to a dull thunk even without a bottle brush depinder.
when your trying to make a gun shoot with a light hammer stiction becomes a real problem , ive bought 2 valves , one sent back twice " leaked , stiction " a couple years the "new valve " more the same , sent it back and when it came back still not good, so if you got a good one or are pounding it with a heavy hammer so stiction isn't a problem RIGHT ON ! it just never paned out for me , i have 2 in my drawer where they belong for me
 
Yeh it’s the hammer I need to quiet, could you tell me how the two valves seem different to you? Your the first person I’ve heard has tried both on the marauder.

The JSAR valve is balanced desgn, the Hill valve is a standard Benji-type knockoff with some improvements. I use my JSAR valve in a Huma regulated rifle and the Tim Hill is in an unregulated rifle. Both rifles can run up to 60 fpe, though usually set down around 54 fpe. I have the JSAR plastic hammer and TSS/SSG with the JSAR valve and the Tim Hill valved rifle has a AGR SSG. I get three magazines out of either.

Again, my JSAR valved rifle is my best shooter. If it has sat for a few days or weeks the first shot might be a little show but after that it shoots consistently and is very accurate, even after sitting under a squirrel tree in the cold for hours.

 
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when your trying to make a gun shoot with a light hammer stiction becomes a real problem , ive bought 2 valves , one sent back twice " leaked , stiction " a couple years the "new valve " more the same , sent it back and when it came back still not good, so if you got a good one or are pounding it with a heavy hammer so stiction isn't a problem RIGHT ON ! it just never paned out for me , i have 2 in my drawer where they belong for me
Incorrect mix and un-matched parts can do that :oops:
valve from here, hammer from there, read it's good combo over there, found it a bad combo over here ... etc etc ...

This is not a personal dig .... as a tuner, developer and in the throws of heavy Marauder R&D years ago a very common occurrence for a lot of tinkerers of the time.
 
Start reading .. as this is just a small snippet.

M-rod Tuning

Just search M-rod / Marauder tuning in general ... Or By Motorhead for specifically my contributions.
Thanks I read the thread but I’m not really feeling like it helps me. Thats all about getting back to an ok place because this guy is using an aluminum tube. Not about noise at all.

It’s right where I’m at. The guy wants a lot of the same things but not for the same reasons and operating at the complete opposite side of the spectrum in terms of pressure.

I already have like 7 different springs en-route to play with. I can’t seem to find anyone who will even make me a custom derlin hammer right now so I’ll likely try the JSAR super hammer and try to pair it with a light enough spring to get the job done.

The earplug in the spring for twang is an interesting idea. Did you feel it really made an impact on that sound?
 
I’m going to have to research this. But yeh it’s really not the air that I hear at this point. Just mechanical noise. Are you saying basically the holes are drilled bigger on one side of the air stripper? Like with a taper basically?
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This image from the following thread shows what I am talking about.
https://www.airgunnation.com/threads/marauder-tuning.1107233/
 
Thanks I read the thread but I’m not really feeling like it helps me. Thats all about getting back to an ok place because this guy is using an aluminum tube. Not about noise at all.

It’s right where I’m at. The guy wants a lot of the same things but not for the same reasons and operating at the complete opposite side of the spectrum in terms of pressure.

I already have like 7 different springs en-route to play with. I can’t seem to find anyone who will even make me a custom derlin hammer right now so I’ll likely try the JSAR super hammer and try to pair it with a light enough spring to get the job done.

The earplug in the spring for twang is an interesting idea. Did you feel it really made an impact on that sound?
As stated.if you search beyond that thread staying with M-rod tuning ... you will find tons of tuning info in general and the little nuggets of info your seeking.
 
As stated.if you search beyond that thread staying with M-rod tuning ... you will find tons of tuning info in general and the little nuggets of info your seeking.
I haven’t found the specific info I’m looking for, which is why I made this post.


I get the sense you feel I should be digging into past discussions rather than starting a new one. And I understand that you’ve emphasized in other posts the value of reading what’s already been figured out, and I respect that experience.


That said, I’m not trying to skip steps or ignore prior work. It’s just that so much of the older content is mixed in with off-topic side conversations, and it becomes hard to extract what’s still relevant. Forums are rich with knowledge, but they’re also meant for ongoing dialogue, not just archives we quietly read through.

I really appreciate the insights you’ve already shared. You clearly have a ton of knowledge, and I’d genuinely like to learn more from you. I just think there’s value in keeping discussions active and accessible, especially for those of us trying to get our footing without spending weeks sifting through years of threads.

Hope that makes sense, definitely not trying to be rude or dismissive.
 
Time moves on and if unwilling to visit where other have been before you .... your destined to repeat where they started ... kinda clueless.

Good luck.
If you have valuable information to share, you are most welcome to speak up. Otherwise why are you here other than to silence me?

I won’t be searching your posts. Have a great life.