Monsters * Redesigned

[Nutcracker]

I tried the Monsters * Redesigned yesterday & today in my Royale 400. I jacked the power up to 900 plus. Very tight almost one hole at 30 yards, but 1 inch plus at 50. So I lowered it to 850, same thing. I went back to the JSB 18 grain and was shooting those at 950-960 and was shooting 3/8 ctc groups @ 50. Even with the JSB 16 grainers at over 1000 was keeping those less than an 3/4 inch. Is the Smooth Twist just not right for the Monsters, or do they need to go faster than 900? How do they group so well @30 then go crazy at 50? 

 

[Glem.Chally]

I tried the Monsters * Redesigned yesterday & today in my Royale 400. I jacked the power up to 900 plus. Very tight almost one hole at 30 yards, but 1 inch plus at 50. So I lowered it to 850, same thing. I went back to the JSB 18 grain and was shooting those at 950-960 and was shooting 3/8 ctc groups @ 50. Even with the JSB 16 grainers at over 1000 was keeping those less than an 3/4 inch. Is the Smooth Twist just not right for the Monsters, or do they need to go faster than 900? How do they group so well @30 then go crazy at 50?

Wow you got the monsters over 900fps with a Royale 400? I've gotten 885 before with the reg at 150 in a .22 barrelled Royale 500 with the SHP valve, hammer weight and slightly opened up TP. That's over 45FPE at 900. 

But yeah I get crappy results with them as well, I think the ST doesn't like them at any speeds I've shot them. Tried getting them dialed at 50m but even there I could see them corkscrewing right, and 18.1's shoot very well even to 100m and beyond. Haven't tried the 16's yet but I have some 21.1 barracuda match en route in a couple head sizes I'll give them a try. 

 

[Nutcracker]

@Chem.Chally, My 400 is an older one that is unregulated and has a 24 inch barrel. That is how I can get these speeds. I was wanting the monsters to work, but after the last two days , think I am wasting my time and actually the 18 grainers are doing great. 

 

[Glem.Chally]

Very cool nutcracker, yeah the 18s do great. Ill let you know how the barracudas shoot in case you havent tried them as a bit of a heavier option.

 

[Dairyboy]

Bummer! That's the 3rd smooth twist shooter that I heard doesn't like them. I really like the redesigned monsters alot. 18gr are awesome at high speeds but in 2 guns I've tried the redesigned monsters loved them. But one was a CZ and the other a TJ.

 

[maxtrouble]

My Daystate Pulsar HP .22 loves the 25.39's. Wish they came in larger tins.

 

[Hookster]

The STX barrel liner B is for the monsters, maybe that's why they wont group for you? That speed is perfect for them so must be a barrel issue if I was to pick one thing.

 

[chasdicapua]

The regular smooth twist barrel doesn't shoot the monsters well. The best barrel for those pellets is the LW polygon barrel. The smooth twist x has "rifling" the entire length, so it may shoot them better than the standard smooth twist. 

Chas

 

[Nutcracker]

Interesting , well at least now I know it was not just my setup. I might try the rest in my Colibri as it has a CZ barrel.

 

[AirSupply]

The 2 air rifles I’ve noticed shoot the monsters really well are the Huben which has a rimfire barrel with 1:16 twist rate and the RedWolf that also has 1:16 twist rate. 

Im sure that other combinations may work but they are exceptional in the 2 I mentioned. Ive given them a try in the stock smooth x and the smooth twist and they where all over the place. My RedWolf shoots them really well. The smooth x “B” liner is hopefully not to far away. 

 

[DHart]

I'm finding that the 25.39 Monsters can be very accurate as low as 715 fps and as fast as 920 fps - IF your barrel happens to like them. This is with a RW .22HP.







So, it may be that your barrel just doesn't like this pellet?

 

[Hookster]

I have gotten great accuracy up to 1050fps with them out of my RW HP. Normal velocity I shoot is between 960-980. Nothing has lived through the impact these pellets produce at that speed. Down side is i have yet to shoot much fur with them, hoping that will change soon though with fall approaching. 

 

[davidsng]

I don't understand how Claudio won EBR with those. I got tight groups at 50 yards, but 75 and 100 were horrible. You need a barrel with fast twist and a gun with power. Smooth twist pellet liner B, is what is correct for JSB Redesigneds 25gr.

What is the Brocock Sniper twist? Is it Polygonal LW barrel?

 

[DHart]

I don't understand how Claudio won EBR with those. I got tight groups at 50 yards, but 75 and 100 were horrible. You need a barrel with fast twist and a gun with power. Smooth twist pellet liner B, is what is correct for JSB Redesigneds 25gr.

What is the Brocock Sniper twist? Is it Polygonal LW barrel?

I read that Claudio had a Red Wolf (likely polygonal) barrel on his Sniper, along with an enlarged air port. Red Wolf .22HP has a LW polygonal barrel.

 

[Scotaty]

Have anyone tried liner b? I'm really interested in the results. 

 

[davidsng]

I don't understand how Claudio won EBR with those. I got tight groups at 50 yards, but 75 and 100 were horrible. You need a barrel with fast twist and a gun with power. Smooth twist pellet liner B, is what is correct for JSB Redesigneds 25gr.

What is the Brocock Sniper twist? Is it Polygonal LW barrel?

I read that Claudio had a Red Wolf (likely polygonal) barrel on his Sniper, along with an enlarged air port. Red Wolf .22HP has a LW polygonal barrel.

Yes, he answered a comment in YT that said he put a Red Wolf Polygonal barrel into the Brocock. I don't know what twist that Polygonal barrel is. I remember Matt Dubber saying that he used one of the heavy pellet B liners in his Impact, but I can't seen to find it anymore. It seemed that he favored slugs over heavy .22 pellets.

 

[Glem.Chally]

I don't understand how Claudio won EBR with those. I got tight groups at 50 yards, but 75 and 100 were horrible. You need a barrel with fast twist and a gun with power. Smooth twist pellet liner B, is what is correct for JSB Redesigneds 25gr.

What is the Brocock Sniper twist? Is it Polygonal LW barrel?

I read that Claudio had a Red Wolf (likely polygonal) barrel on his Sniper, along with an enlarged air port. Red Wolf .22HP has a LW polygonal barrel.

Yes, he answered a comment in YT that said he put a Red Wolf Polygonal barrel into the Brocock. I don't know what twist that Polygonal barrel is. I remember Matt Dubber saying that he used one of the heavy pellet B liners in his Impact, but I can't seen to find it anymore. It seemed that he favored slugs over heavy .22 pellets.

The ones in RWhp are 1:16 twist choked lw