Maverick=broken valve seal. Already???

[2L8]

Sucks your having this issue! But like the attitude about it. It is just an airgun by the way. Hope they get it back to you quickly

Thanks Dairyboy, it does, and like Odoyle says, mechanical things need time to break in and seat within the manufactures design parameters. Making adjustments before this can have adverse effects on numerous components in the system changing the harmony in which they work. Just give it time, be patient and you will be rewarded.

Knowing that the Maverick is going back and FX is going to tear it apart to see what happened is more than I can stand!!! Not being right there seeing it with my own eyes!!!  I'm always glad to share my experiences, good and bad, and to learn from others with WAY more knowledge and experience than I.

They are just that, airguns, mechanical and pneumatic wonders they are. Much easier to work on than my truck too. FX said a couple weeks and I have no expectations. I would rather have "done right" than "good enough". I still have my DL and MK3.

Patrick 

 

[Cloudrider]

Sorry for your troubles too, I also admire your admire your disposition and attitude regarding your situation. 

I have a question, what components need to be broken in or what has to settle other than a hammer spring after adjustment? These are not pre 80s era car engines! No need to stay in the low rpms for the first 1k or an oil change required in the first 500 miles. These airrifles are designed for up to 35 cal and 110+ ft lbs of energy. Nothing broke because you abused it, it was a lemon, just hope it doesn't stay that way after FX gets it back.

 

[2L8]

Sorry for your troubles too, I also admire your admire your disposition and attitude regarding your situation. 

I have a question, what components need to be broken in or what has to settle other than a hammer spring after adjustment? These are not pre 80s era car engines! No need to stay in the low rpms for the first 1k or an oil change required in the first 500 miles. These airrifles are designed for up to 35 cal and 110+ ft lbs of energy. Nothing broke because you abused it, it was a lemon, just hope it doesn't stay that way after FX gets it back.

Thank you Cloudrider, My Mom used to say to me "You can be Mad or Happy about cleaning your room, you decide". Being pissed off about this situation gets me no where fast. Understanding what caused the failure and having positive dialog with those capable of solutions interests me on many levels.

I totally understand your automotive analogy. I grew up with a wrench in my hand in the mid 60's... BMX bicycles, motorcycle racing and mussel cars. Airguns definitely don't have the amount of moving parts as an auto, but, the few they have (depending) play an important roll in the quality, reliability and experience of the airgun. The Maverick has it's share of mechanicals that need time to settle in. You have the cocking, loading and linkage, The trigger linkage and trigger group, hammer spring assembly, then the valve assembly and finally both AMP regulators which are delicate little pieces. Plus all the O-rings that keep that HPA in there all safe. I'm sure I missed a group, but that's quite a few pieces relying on one another for a smooth and consistent shooting experience. You are correct in stating I did not abuse this Maverick, not my MO. I treat all my airguns like fine watches. That is still no guarantee what adjustments I do make won't have consequences. All part of the experience. This Maverick could have started out with a weak part and it just took time to fail. My early on failure seemed to follows standard statics. X% will have a failure in the first Y(time). I do like to be in the "other %" though

Patrick

 

[Cloudrider]

I agree that certain components should smooth out so to speak, mechanical linkage and such, but regulators and valve seats don't, they work until they need service or fail. Breaking in means to me, is that you baby it until feel that it go to redline without causing premature wear. While I have less than year into PCP, I have spent the last 20 in paintball marker design and tech support. I've work with every regulator, valve system, mechanical or electric system in the industry, breaking in only prolongs exposing any weakness and is no way to testing reliability. I have easily over 12k of pellets and slugs thru 3 different Impacts and yet to see an issue that I didn't cause myself.

Also, out of the box, I would check to see where the high pressure is set at. I got my Maverick from UtahAir, it came with QC card that said my velocity was set 900fps. The gun chronograph at 845fps, my gage showed a hair above 100bar, when I opened up the reg to see what the high pressure reading was, it was at 200 bar. So much for the 20-30 spread! I lowered the hp to 150bar and the final regulator to 120bar, now I'm getting 950fps...

 

[Cloudrider]

While its also entirely different, I look at it like breaking in an accurized handgun. You got to cycle the crap out it, to smooth out the tight tolerances in the build. To get it reliable for competition use.

 

[2L8]

Cloudrider, I can appreciate your understanding of regulators and valves after that many years in the PB industry. Notes taken. The Huma in my Impact MKI/MKII was a little fussier than I liked having a creep of between 10-18bar. If I only filled to 200-210 it was well within a needle. My Maverick from Pyramyd Air had no QC and no velocity check. The gun was unshootable OOtB as the trigger blade was set near the bottom of the post and after one pull jammed on the trigger guard. Had to pull out the .050 allen to adjust it up to clear and make it right for my style. Second reg on my gauge was set to 110-115 bar. I walked through the Ernest and 68 whiskey tune videos and then checked my first reg and it was set to 145 bar, in specs of the 20-35 bar. My first 10 were JSB 18.13 on PW #7, they were much faster than I expected @1025.

This is shot #30-40 with the JSB KO and a proven tune for them out of my Maverick as I experienced just before the failure. Thanks for your insights.