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With IWA going on right now... thoughts are When are Steyr, Anschutz, Hammerli, and FWB going to realize that there is a market outside the sub 12 market where serious shooters want serious air rifles in the USA? we have FX, and Daystate, and I hesitate to say RAW because of the recent (last few years) changes there to name a few good ones, but as for the Top 4 in quality fit finish and function... we got nothing.

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With IWA going on right now... thoughts are When are Steyr, Anschutz, Hammerli, and FWB going to realize that there is a market outside the sub 12 market where serious shooters want serious air rifles in the USA? we have FX, and Daystate, and I hesitate to say RAW because of the recent (last few years) changes there to name a few good ones, but as for the Top 4 in quality fit finish and function... we got nothing.

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Maybe this will open their eyes a bit😅
This is the member map for this forum.
Unzoomed as far as it will go.
*Shows a bit of where their money comes from🤪🤙

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Its very possible that the European traffic is so low because they don't want to see a bunch of posts about high power airguns so they go elsewhere. That and they really aren't particularly fond of us... There are several UK airgun forums out there.

Not everything has to be high powered though. Those companies do very very well in the low power game and believe it or not, plenty of US guys like them like that too. There are plenty of other options for high power if you need one including a few made by those companies. Steyer makes a 30fpe .22 Pro X and FWB had the new Sport which was well over 12ftlbs. Not many sold but they did make it (its awesome once tuned by the way)

Regardless, they make a killing in their respective niche so why would they want to change gears and have to compete with the big names already pumping out high power PCPs? We're just going to end up with a bunch  more guns that look like an Impact anyway lol
 
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pbike257 said:
With IWA going on right now... thoughts are When are Steyr, Anschutz, Hammerli, and FWB going to realize that there is a market outside the sub 12 market where serious shooters want serious air rifles in the USA? we have FX, and Daystate, and I hesitate to say RAW because of the recent (last few years) changes there to name a few good ones, but as for the Top 4 in quality fit finish and function... we got nothing.

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RAW is still the same quality
 
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Lots of the “high powered PCPs” sold here in the States are overhyped. Unless you’re shooting competitions, majority of shooters get into PCPs, and airguns In general as low powered shooting alternatives. With some of these HP PCPs, the same considerations when shooting a .22 rimfire, apply. Which then lead you back to low powered airguns… So the question would be where is the largest market? In HP PCPs, or low, sub 20 FPE PCPs?
 
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iAMzehTOASTY1 said:
Maybe this will open their eyes a bit😅
This is the member map for this forum.
Unzoomed as far as it will go.
*Shows a bit of where their money comes from🤪🤙

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Our map represents a small fraction of all airgunners. Members must "opt-in" to be included on the map.
 
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Our map represents a small fraction of all airgunners. Members must "opt-in" to be included on the map.
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That's why I said that it's our forum member map🤪
I used to just scroll through here while googling before I figured out what a forum was🤣 ended up joining and learning way more than a thousand Google searches would have given me in a few months🎩🤙
 
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pbike257 said:
With IWA going on right now... thoughts are When are Steyr, Anschutz, Hammerli, and FWB going to realize that there is a market outside the sub 12 market where serious shooters want serious air rifles in the USA? we have FX, and Daystate, and I hesitate to say RAW because of the recent (last few years) changes there to name a few good ones, but as for the Top 4 in quality fit finish and function... we got nothing.

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I suppose they wanted to stay in their known Olympic style, cadre, genre, lane, or however it could be put.

There were some things I haven't liked about a few of those brands for FT but mostly I "think??" the 2 piece actions were a mistake from the beginning. These are fine for 10M guns but for outdoors and 20 fpe my Steyr LG100 had to be highly modified and my 12 fpe FWB 800 Basic was a no-go from the start because of constant POI shifts. In contrast my USFT was SUPER solid and reliable over many years. The ergos didn't quite work the best for me but not bad either and the triggers for me weren't up to that Olympic status I wanted.
My Thomas FT is awesome in so many ways and is more refined feeling than my USFT was.

I love the style, trigger feel, and adjustability of these types of Olympic guns but I feel like almost all modern airguns are underbuilt and underperforming. They could be made much more solid and designed to be nearly foolproof, especially so as more power is demanded, but that is hard to come by. That being said I haven't kept up on if there are any recent major changes that have been made??
 
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Hi All, I am new to this website. I have posted to other threads here. This thread has got my attention. I have many years, lifetime shooting ISSF Olympic 3 position smallbore rifle, and same with Air rifle Standing 10 meters. 1988 FWB C60, and recent 1 year with a FWB 800X. After recently learning of these long distance FX Crown type rifles, I did some research and am getting a FX Crown GRS delivered today.
Also am getting ready with making target holder backstops, and clearing the way for several ranges on my property. My goal is to shoot 3 position, but mostly Standing at long distance with this said Crown. A few things I may need to do to this FX crown grs, weight it to 12 pounds, add a European Anschutz type dimension rail for a hand stop /sling attachment point re: prone, kneeling, Scope it, and/or iron sights.
With the topic of this thread, I am wondering if there are any other ISSF Olympic type shooters out there, and is this a new beginning for a new market area. I can ask thru some web sites that are Olympic designated to see if there is any momentum about this. Air power seems to be a potential perfect fit for many reasons.
 
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High powered rifles are fun .... BUT ...... shooting low powered rifles are fun as well. I have more fun in fact shooting the lower powered rifles because I get FAR more shots per charge, and they are just as fun. Hell for a low powered rifle a 100 yard shot can be challenging. I don't have to worry about over travel of the pellets and the power isn't anything that is to concerning past 200 yards.

If I want to shoot longer ranges I will grab my tricked out RimX 22lr and blast with that. I do enjoy the Panthera from the shop, but the 22lr is much less hassle to take out and shoot for a day.
 
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Got the Crown running with the 380 mm, then put the 700 mm on it and turned it down a bit., then went right to the 10 meter target, shot it with an improvised bench at 55 yards.
Then went to Standing 18 shots, using a 200 yard target at 55 yards. I think if it was a 50 yard target , all shots would be in the black. Over all, will move the sights up some.
Knock out 25.38 slugs, 140 bar, 13 hammer, Medium. 20 power scope. I need to get a chronograph. Going to get some 50 yard and 100 yard targets. 20230527_174350.jpg20230527_180848.jpg20230527_203759.jpg20230527_203941.jpg
 
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steve123 said:
I suppose they wanted to stay in their known Olympic style, cadre, genre, lane, or however it could be put.

There were some things I haven't liked about a few of those brands for FT but mostly I "think??" the 2 piece actions were a mistake from the beginning. These are fine for 10M guns but for outdoors and 20 fpe my Steyr LG100 had to be highly modified and my 12 fpe FWB 800 Basic was a no-go from the start because of constant POI shifts. In contrast my USFT was SUPER solid and reliable over many years. The ergos didn't quite work the best for me but not bad either and the triggers for me weren't up to that Olympic status I wanted.
My Thomas FT is awesome in so many ways and is more refined feeling than my USFT was.

I love the style, trigger feel, and adjustability of these types of Olympic guns but I feel like almost all modern airguns are underbuilt and underperforming. They could be made much more solid and designed to be nearly foolproof, especially so as more power is demanded, but that is hard to come by. That being said I haven't kept up on if there are any recent major changes that have been made??
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Your point regarding design and build quality of air rifles is well taken, but I have a different opinion of the two-piece action design. Some of the most reliable and accurate rifles I have owned have been of that design. The only one I currently own is an HW100, but as the Steyr and Anschutz rifles I have owned, it is rock solid, with no POI issues, and all were FAC level power. I really don't see how the modular, two-piece design should contribute to that problem. People occasionally are critical of the two-piece design, but in general, the performance of these rifles has not shown a weakness. Would I design one that way from scratch? Probably not, because it places additional demands on manufacturing and quality control, but I believe their history of success is undeniable.
 
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Your point regarding design and build quality of air rifles is well taken, but I have a different opinion of the two-piece action design. Some of the most reliable and accurate rifles I have owned have been of that design. The only one I currently own is an HW100, but as the Steyr and Anschutz rifles I have owned, it is rock solid, with no POI issues, and all were FAC level power. I really don't see how the modular, two-piece design should contribute to that problem. People occasionally are critical of the two-piece design, but in general, the performance of these rifles has not shown a weakness. Would I design one that way from scratch? Probably not, because it places additional demands on manufacturing and quality control, but I believe their history of success is undeniable.
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There's no doubt that I'm far from an expert on this subject but I do know that when I sent my Steyr to Alan Z to be set up for FT the two more important mods from the start was free floating the barrel where it contacted the frame at the end of the fore end and epoxy fit the barrel into the frame at the chamber end of the barrel.
Has Steyr changed some things, I don't know??

Also Doug and Vipha M had custom one piece actions made for their FWB 700's?? because they liked many things about these rifles except the two piece action design.

I definitely felt/feel more assured using my USFT, and now my Thomas, than I ever felt with my Olympic match guns when it came to FT.

Some people haven't had the problems I've had and have seen in other Olympic rifles used in FT. That's fine but its something that lives in the back of my mind when I see these guns used. I suspect the Olympic guns that the more serious shooters use have been sorted out and moded to perform more reliably than when stock though.

Basically I lost trust in them. But that's awesome you have a solid rifle.
 
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pbike257 said:
With IWA going on right now... thoughts are When are Steyr, Anschutz, Hammerli, and FWB going to realize that there is a market outside the sub 12 market where serious shooters want serious air rifles in the USA? we have FX, and Daystate, and I hesitate to say RAW because of the recent (last few years) changes there to name a few good ones, but as for the Top 4 in quality fit finish and function... we got nothing.

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Martin will build a RAW to ur specifications. Problem solved
 
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