Many of you will not like this !... My previous findings confirm it is a fact !!!

[Stubbers]

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Sorry, had to break the tension. Life is too short to get this serious over an air rifle guys. Shoot what you want. Have fun. They are all awesome.

True story, after I got into pcp's I threw a Red Ryder in the trash because I was sure I would never use it again, now I've come full circle to realize I made the biggest mistake in my airgunning hobby ever...going back to Wally world tomorrow to buy another.

 

[Emu]

True story, after I got into pcp's I threw a Red Ryder in the trash because I was sure I would never use it again, now I've come full circle to realize I made the biggest mistake in my airgunning hobby ever...going back to Wally world tomorrow to buy another.

Today my brother bought a Benjamin with pumping action .22 CAL because he did not like the Bantam I lend him....

Regressive action to our youth....

 

[Nomadic Pirate 66]

Problem is this;

last week was : "only 3 brands are worth buying " ....leaving out the likes of AmericaAirArms, Taipan, Raw, Fx, Kalibr, Thomas, Ataman, Zebroia, Huben, Edgun and probably some that I forgot.

This week is : "only hammerless PCPs are consistent enough "

Seems quite a lot of absolutes, definitely a lot of bias mixed with the fact that not all brands/guns where tested.

 

[Stubbers]

Problem is this;

last week was : "only 3 brands are worth buying " ....leaving out the likes of AmericaAirArms, Taipan, Raw, Fx, Kalibr, Thomas, Ataman, Zebroia, Edgun and probably some that I forgot.

This week is : "only hammerless PCPs are consistent enough "

Seems quite a lot of absolutes, definitely a lot of bias mixed with the fact that not all brands/guns where tested.

Blowguns have less recoil than hammerless pcp's. Plus I supply my own air now.

-Matt

 

[Emu]

Problem is this;

last week was : "only 3 brands are worth buying " ....leaving out the likes of AmericaAirArms, Taipan, Raw, Fx, Kalibr, Thomas, Ataman, Zebroia, Edgun and probably some that I forgot.

This week is : "only hammerless PCPs are consistent enough "

Seems quite a lot of absolutes, definitely a lot of bias mixed with the fact that not all brands/guns where tested.

I found this post I wrote some months ago. Same results other trigger system:

Enough info to confirm it is a fact !!!

A very interesting finding... Very!!

Very close to my house there is a ground field where I can shot up to 300 yards and being able to see exactly where I hit. I have confirmed and re-confirmed that my Daystate Renegade HP NON regulated is much more consistent at over 190-230 yards than my Woverine HP HR, both with JSB 34 grain...

www.airgunnation.com

 

[Stubbers]

Relevant? Maybe? Fun watch nonetheless.

 

[Raider03]

Problem is this;

last week was : "only 3 brands are worth buying " ....leaving out the likes of AmericaAirArms, Taipan, Raw, Fx, Kalibr, Thomas, Ataman, Zebroia, Huben, Edgun and probably some that I forgot.

This week is : "only hammerless PCPs are consistent enough "

Seems quite a lot of absolutes, definitely a lot of bias mixed with the fact that not all brands/guns where tested.

The week before he could shot better then Rick Rehm, now he is "just a hunter"

 

[Raider03]

I have not lowered the power. I do not like to play a lot with tunning.

I may not answer that.

This is not consistent with your proir comments,
"The system of the Huben, Sidewinder, Rattler and LCS allow to increase or decrease power naturally and very, very easy. Just like a dimmer in the lightning of a room. That easy !!!"

 

[Emu]

I have not lower the power

This is not consistent with your proir comments,
"The system of the Huben, Sidewinder, Rattler and LCS allow to increase or decrease power naturally and very, very easy. Just like a dimmer in the lightning of a room. That easy !!!"

Notwithstanding I know is easy to do it just turning the dimmer clockwise.

If a rifl iis shooting well then I do not like to play with the tunning.

 

[Emu]

The week before he could shot better then Rick Rehm, now he is "just a hunter"

I do not know who Rick Rehm is, but I have been absolutely transparent on my shooting at the distance I have said, for good or for bad.

I have never been in competitions other than pigeon shooting with shotgun when I was young and in that particular way of shooting I can tell you honestly that I do it very well. I was champion of my State and I won many competitions. My first car was paid with the money I made on those competitions.

Now I am 61 and I still do it very well with the shotgun.

You have seen my groups. I do not shot from a bipod. I do not own one. If they are good or bar it is irrelevant.

For me, as a hunter, it is just important to place the shot perfectly in order to avoid suffering of the game. You can see my hunting videos in the hunting section of this forum. Transparent, cristal clear !

 

[_CTAIRGUNNER_]

You have seen my groups. I do not shot from a bipod. I do not own one. If they are good or bar it is irrelevant.

So those groups are off hand?

 

[Emu]

So those groups are off hand?

Nope, I shoot with a rotating rest that I designed and made.

I will post, again, a picture of my rest and my seat.

 

[Headshots]

So better accuracy and consistency because of the hammerless design. So where are the targets and shot string ? Not even close to a springer vs PCPs , no need for artillery hold, way longer spring and piston travel than PCPs hammer spring , plus the weight savings. Two different animals. I would bet my Taipan has a more consistent SD than the Sidewinder as well.

 

[Emu]

So better accuracy and consistency because of the hammerless design. So where are the targets and shot string ? Not even close to a springer vs PCPs , no need for artillery hold, way longer spring and piston travel than PCPs hammer spring , plus the weight savings. Two different animals. I would bet my Taipan has a more consistent SD than the Sidewinder as well.

I just shared what I have seen. The SD explanation was brought by Centercut (and seems to have logic).

 

[Emu]

So those groups are off hand?

This is my seat and this is my rotating rest:

First target at right is at 45 mts, second 55 mts, at left firs is at 64 mts and second at 73 mts. The third target on right is at 77 mts.

As soon as raining season starts (we hope to be soon) the place will look much better.

 

[Pale_Rider]

Since the dawn of PCP airguns man has struggled with hammer bounce. Many tinkerers have spent countless hours daydreaming and machining devices to combat this problem in search of ultimate efficiency. Hammer Debounce Device, Short Stiff Spring, Spring Stopping Guide were all made to eliminate hammer bounce.

The huben valve system completely avoids this problem. In a rifle with a traditional knock open valve the hammer flies forward to smack open the valve. The huben has a hammer looking part and spring much like a traditional pcp rifle but they are used very differently. The sear in the huben engages a hammer looking part(striker). When the sear drops the striker flies BACKWARD from the pressure inside the firing valve. This allows air to flow and propel the projectile. The striker then compresses a spring which returns it to original position.

This results in an extremely efficient use of air along with no harmonic disturbances from a hammer (mechanical or electronic).

Although huben has conquered this problem they created another problem by making it a semi auto that shoots from the mag. It won’t be as accurate as certain rifles that gently load the projectile into the barrel instead of rocketing the projectile into the barrel almost at the speed of sound. The fact that they made a rifle with respectable accuracy that shoots from the mag is a remarkable feat of precise engineering. Averaging 1.5” groups at 100 yards is right up there with some of the best.

The true potential of this system will only be realized when they create it with a rifle that uses a bolt to gently load the pellet. Besides the benefits of the valve the barrel mounting system is also well designed. The barrel is threaded into the receiver further reinforced by the trigger housing and barrel band. Mine took a 3 foot dive onto pavement smacking it dead on the muzzle. Got a nice dent on the barrel protector but POI remained the same. As wiseman once said: Huben’s are the taipans of semi autos.

 

[Headshots]

Things that keep me from wanting a hammerless airgun are weight and high fill pressures and triggers.

 

[_CTAIRGUNNER_]

Things that keep me from wanting a hammerless airgun are weight and high fill pressures and triggers.

The hubens trigger is pretty phenomenal

 

[Pale_Rider]

@Headshots The huben is only 6 1/2 lbs and doesn’t have to be filled to high pressures. You can fill to 3k psi with a reg set to 110 bar and get a decent amount of shots. The huben has the best trigger out of all the hammerless semi autos but it won’t wow you if you’re a trigger snob.

 

[AlanMcD]

Since the dawn of PCP airguns man has struggled with hammer bounce. Many tinkerers have spent countless hours daydreaming and machining devices to combat this problem in search of ultimate efficiency. Hammer Debounce Device, Short Stiff Spring, Spring Stopping Guide were all made to eliminate hammer bounce.

The huben valve system completely avoids this problem. In a rifle with a traditional knock open valve the hammer flies forward to smack open the valve. The huben has a hammer looking part and spring much like a traditional pcp rifle but they are used very differently. The sear in the huben engages a hammer looking part(striker). When the sear drops the striker flies BACKWARD from the pressure inside the firing valve. This allows air to flow and propel the projectile. The striker then compresses a spring which returns it to original position.

This results in an extremely efficient use of air along with no harmonic disturbances from a hammer (mechanical or electronic).

Although huben has conquered this problem they created another problem by making it a semi auto that shoots from the mag. It won’t be as accurate as certain rifles that gently load the projectile into the barrel instead of rocketing the projectile into the barrel almost at the speed of sound. The fact that they made a rifle with respectable accuracy that shoots from the mag is a remarkable feat of precise engineering. Averaging 1.5” groups at 100 yards is right up there with some of the best.

The true potential of this system will only be realized when they create it with a rifle that uses a bolt to gently load the pellet. Besides the benefits of the valve the barrel mounting system is also well designed. The barrel is threaded into the receiver further reinforced by the trigger housing and barrel band. Mine took a 3 foot dive onto pavement smacking it dead on the muzzle. Got a nice dent on the barrel protector but POI remained the same. As wiseman once said: Huben’s are the taipans of semi autos.

This a great description of how these hammerless valve systems work, but I would like to add something to clarify things to those that don't know them well:

The striker spring that compresses on firing that returns the "hammer" to the original position and does not really have anything to do with controlling the valve operation in terms of firing the shot - it is all about restting the gun for the next shot. In fact, the easy way to degas the gun is to remove the spring and fire the gun (safely) and the valve will remain open until the reservoir empties.

The "dwell" is controlled by a second "closing valve" - this is what shuts off the air flow. The power knob at the bottom rear of the gun controls this valve via spring pressure. When the pressure in the firing system drops, the spring returns the hammer and the valve and trigger reset for the next shot (separately, the magazine indexes for the next shot too). The whole system works together very well.