Many of you will not like this !... My previous findings confirm it is a fact !!!

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Emu

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Dear hobbie partners,

I know that what I am about to say will not like many of you. I apologize for that. My intention is not to offend any of you nor any of the air rifle makers.

This morning I walk up early and went to shoot at 190 yards with no wind at all.

First I shot about 60 shots with the Wolverine HP HR .22 Cal.

Later on I shot about 15 shots with the sidewinder .25 Cal.

Some shots of the Wolverine hit a little bit down and some a little bit high and some on target. That difference is because of the really differences causes by the hit of the hammer to open the valve to realease air to move the pellet.

All of the shots with the sidewinder were exactly accurate in power at 190 yards. The consistency is remarkable.

This are now the hard words:

" The difference among a really good rifle with a spring and hammer system vs. a rifle with the system of the Sidewinder is comparable with the difference in consistency among a really good brake barrel rifle and a very good PCP with spring and hammer system."

That big !!!

So, in order to conquest with precision shooting at very long distance, the short way is shooting with a rifle with the system of the sidewinder !

Oooor..... You can shoot and waste as many pellets as you want in order to confirm it by your self....


PD.- I found this post I wrote some months ago. Same results other trigger system:

A very interesting finding... Very!!

Very close to my house there is a ground field where I can shot up to 300 yards and being able to see exactly where I hit. I have confirmed and re-confirmed that my Daystate Renegade HP NON regulated is much more consistent at over 190-230 yards than my Woverine HP HR, both with JSB 34 grain...
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Emu said:
Dear hobbie partners,

I know that what I am about to say will not like many of you. I apologize for that. My intention is not to offend any of you nor any of the air rifle makers.

This s morning I walk up early and went to shoot at 190 yards with no wind at all.

First I shot about 60 shots with the Wolverine HP HR .22 Cal.

Later on I shot about 15 shots with the sidewinder .25 Cal.

Some shots of the Wolverine hit a little bit up and some a little bit high and some on target. That difference is because of the really differences causes by the hit of the hammer to open the valve to realease air to move the pellet.

All of the shots with the sidewinder were exactly accurate in power at 190 yards. The consistency is remarkable.

This are now the hard words:

" The difference among a really good rifle with a spring and hammer system vs. a rifle with the system of the Sidewinder is comparable with the difference in consistency among a really good brake barrel rifle and a very good PCP with spring and hammer system."

That big !!!

So, in order to conquest with precision shooting at very long distance, the short way is shooting with a rifle with the system of the sidewinder !

Oooor..... You can shoot and waste as many pellets as you want in order to confirm it by your self....
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I have never heard of a Sidewinder as yet.
What system does a Sidewinder have?
 
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No offense taken...ANY pellets shot by me at 190 yards would be wasted with any air rifle I ever owned in any event...100 yards was pushing the envelope for me...lol...But don't feel sorry or worry about me being over run with pests or varmint species...I kept a few PBs that do quite well at that range...for air gun shooting, inside 50 yards fills my needs nicely with no issues with hammers or springs. BTW if you can hit your mark consistently at 190 yards your a better airgunner than me!!!
 
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I wonder if the weight of the rifle has anything to do with this along with what chronograph is being used (as you mentioned "exactly accurate in power , so I am assuming you are talking about consistency while shooting at this distance). I experimented with different movements during shot cycle while using my FX chrono and noticed a lot of inconsistencies. When shooting my huben 33.95 at 955 fps I had quite a bit of muzzle movement when firing however its much lighter than the sidewinder, I feel the sidewinders weight might aid in keeping it more stable.

Not doubting anything but trying to figure out the sidewinders magic potion so to speak.
 
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Stubbers said:
Throwing away all my mods and airguns now, they are trash.

(/s for people who can't sense sarcasm)

-Matt
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You do not know how many PCP'S I own and that I realize that become surpassed by this new technology !!!

They still work as good as each can. They are in perfect condition and shoot as accurate as their mechanics allow them.

Stubborn reality is independent of our wishes and believes !!!!

Reality is what it is, no matter if we like it or not !!!
 
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Stubbers said:
Throwing away all my mods and airguns now, they are trash.

(/s for people who can't sense sarcasm)

-Matt
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Following my posts now and cluttering up someone elses thread?! well , at least we know who we can't count on to contribute to the community.
 
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Emu said:
Dear hobbie partners,

I know that what I am about to say will not like many of you. I apologize for that. My intention is not to offend any of you nor any of the air rifle makers.

This s morning I walk up early and went to shoot at 190 yards with no wind at all.

First I shot about 60 shots with the Wolverine HP HR .22 Cal.

Later on I shot about 15 shots with the sidewinder .25 Cal.

Some shots of the Wolverine hit a little bit up and some a little bit high and some on target. That difference is because of the really differences causes by the hit of the hammer to open the valve to realease air to move the pellet.

All of the shots with the sidewinder were exactly accurate in power at 190 yards. The consistency is remarkable.

This are now the hard words:

" The difference among a really good rifle with a spring and hammer system vs. a rifle with the system of the Sidewinder is comparable with the difference in consistency among a really good brake barrel rifle and a very good PCP with spring and hammer system."

That big !!!

So, in order to conquest with precision shooting at very long distance, the short way is shooting with a rifle with the system of the sidewinder !

Oooor..... You can shoot and waste as many pellets as you want in order to confirm it by your self....
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Hmmmmm,.......I've said before that I think the Huben hammerless system is going to be a huge step forwatd in PCPs,
but, but your statement once again is a bit to absolute, I'm sure there's is a bunch of precision long range shooters using standard hammer system guns ( Panthera for example ) that will refute your absolute claims.

I have no high end precision guns and not a targer shooter but looking forward to see experts chiming in into this post.
 
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I have zero need or desire to shoot an air rifle out to 200 yards. Past 100, it's center fire territory for me. 22lr is a distant memory for small game shooting. I do like the hammerless design, but if my guns I currently have can hit a squirrel in the head at 75 yards everytime, thats plenty for me. I get them between 20 and 50 anyways.

It all matters where you hunt, my area and state is too hilly and wooded to even get 75 yard shots 90% of the time.

I hunt deer with a 44 mag levergun open sights, because I don't get to hunt an area that requires more. I sold my 308 and 30-06 because It was pointless shooting a whitetail at 50-70 yards with a gun capable to 600 yards. I use the tool the job requires. Sometimes you don't need a sledge hammer to hang that picture frame on a tack nail.
 
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I get you really like the Sidewinders and that's cool. I haven't shot one, but I know the Huben and have a lot of experience with the L2. L2 is a different valve design and very different trigger than the Huben. I am on board with really liking the hammerless designs.

The issue I'd like to take is with your comparison. What projectile and speed were you shooting with each gun? It doesn't seem like a fair comparison at 190 with a 34gr .25 vs a .25gr .22. What were the speeds.

What would be more convincing for me was if you did a side by side with a .22 and a .25 Sidewinder. That would help show if it was the gun or the caliber benefiting the longer distance.
 
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MadCowCrazy2 said:
Can someone link to this "Sidewinder", I have no idea what rifle you are talking about. Do you mean a side lever spring/piston airgun?
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I get you really like the Sidewinders and that's cool. I haven't shot one, but I know the Huben and have a lot of experience with the L2. L2 is a different valve design and very different trigger than the Huben. I am on board with really liking the hammerless designs.

The issue I'd like to take is with your comparison. What projectile and speed were you shooting with each gun? It doesn't seem like a fair comparison at 190 with a 34gr .25 vs a .25gr .22. What were the speeds.

What would be more convincing for me was if you did a side by side with a .22 and a .25 Sidewinder. That would help show if it was the gun or the caliber benefiting the longer distance.
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I only have sidewinders in .25 and .30

They are equally amazing at 190 yards.

I have shot with many Daystates, many airgun technology and a Brocock at that distance. The inconsistency is common in all. The problem is in the spring and hammer system (is my personal conclusion because of what they have in common).
 
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Emu said:
I only have sidewinders in .25 and .30

They are equally amazing at 190 yards.

I have shot with many Daystates, many airgun technology and a Brocock at that distance. The inconsistency is common in all. The problem is in the spring and hammer system (is my personal conclusion because of what they have in common).
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Right the thing here is , your Daystate if I recall from another thread is shooting .22 25.39 , that is substantially different from .25 33.95, imo the 33.95 in .25 is a far superior pellet. Therefore this is an unfair comparison really , thats all.
 
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