Looking for recommedations

Hey team,

I'm in the market for a new air rifle and I'm keen to hear your advice/recommendations.

I've only got limited experience with air rifles, however I've owned a couple of centrefires and .22 rimfire rifles for a bit over 10years.

I'm interesting in something I can shoot out to around 50-100m with. Mostly target/plinking with the occasional need for small bird/varmint control on our property (Australia). I live rural and don't have any decent access for tuning etc. Im happy to spend a bit more and get something decent out of the box.

At this stage im leaning toward a HW97 in a 177 or 22.

Ideally I'd like to steer away from PCPs/CO2. I'd prefer a traditional underlever/break barrel setup however I'm definitely open to suggestions.

I'm very open to hear your advice on a rifle/scope/pellet package to satisfy this criteria.

I'm semi flexible on budget.

If I can provide any other info to assist your recommendations, please let me know.


 
I have a Beeman R9 (HW95) and an HW97, both with Vortek 12 ftlb kits in them. I had to really concentrate to get good accuracy from the R9. It's quite jumpy, even in 12 ftlb. The HW97 is really nice. It's not quite as easy to shoot as my PCP's but it's close. It moves enough to let you know you've shot something, but not so much you loose sight of the target in your scope. I had a .22 Pro-Sport, but the quality just wasn't very good. The fit an finish was nice, but other things just kept popping up, like a cracked stock, or stripped cocking lever screw. It always seemed to need some work. My HW97 has been bullet proof, absolutely no drama at all. It's not as pretty as a Pro-Sport, but it looks good enough, and it's so good at what it does. 
 
I would definitely go .22 in any thing you buy to hunt with at longer ranges because of projectile energy retention. My suggestion would be a RWS 54 Match king or RWS 56 TH . They are a little heavy but that helps steady your shot. RWS 54 = 9 lbs and RWS 56 = 11 lbs no scope. They are very powerful springers that shoot like PCPs. Because fo the anti recoil system they are super accurate. If you can handle the weight and price they are great target and hunting guns. I own both in .22.
 
I have a HW97 in .177 with 12 fpe Vortek kit, and it is a great rifle. I use it mostly under 25 yards, and it's very accurate. I haven't shot it much at longer distances, but I think 50 would be it's practical limit. You mentioned shooting out to 100m, so I believe you would want the standard power .22, as a minimum, and I expect 100m would be a stretch. 
 
My favorite is the HW97 in .177. I've never had good luck with accuracy from the .22 caliber Weihrauchs however, all had sub par barrels. I've had several and won't buy another. 

If you want a .22 with good power, the RWS48 would be my pick. It balances well, easy to sling since it's a sidelever, and very easy to shoot accurately if you tune it down a touch. You could even mount a bipod if you wanted since there is no underlever in the way. Also possible to mount a silencer if you wanted or were able. 

Anything you get will shoot better with a drop in tune kit, and you can certainly do it yourself. If you go with the 48 id I'd recommend against the Vortek brand kit for it, and instead go with the Air Rifle Headquarters. I think the Vortek is too harsh. 

Either choice budget for a quality scope. Chasing issues from a cheap scope is never fun. 
 
you are shooting long ranges.Normally I like .22 over .177.The 97 is a very good heavy springer,the 48 mentioned is also a bit heavy powerful side lever that is good,I like my .20 R-9 better than either one of them for carrying in the field.

Based on what you said your choice is a good one,the 97 ...by the way none of should be needing any work...until you feel the need.

The 48 is quite a bit less$$## than the 97 and on par with the R-9....at least where I sit....

The 48 properly needs a 10-20degree scope mount,also it needs a strong air gun scope...the other two are not as hard on scopes...try to use a one piece scope mount....and a good scope for your shooting 50-100 m...Good luck...
 
I would definitely go .22 in any thing you buy to hunt with at longer ranges because of projectile energy retention. My suggestion would be a RWS 54 Match king or RWS 56 TH . They are a little heavy but that helps steady your shot. RWS 54 = 9 lbs and RWS 56 = 11 lbs no scope. They are very powerful springers that shoot like PCPs. Because fo the anti recoil system they are super accurate. If you can handle the weight and price they are great target and hunting guns. I own both in .22.

Hmmm 55 YARDS TO 110 YARDS (50-100M) FOR TARGET/PLINKING AND SOME SMALL GAME BIRD/VARMINT CONTROL. A CUSTOM VOLQUARTSEN RUGER 10/22 WOULD BE MY FIRST CHOICE SINCE ITS ON YOUR PROPERTY and you want to HUMANELY KILL LIVE ANIMALS WITH. These are the ONLY SPRINGERS that I know of and have first hand experience that can reliably hit targets 100-200 yards in ideal conditions ESPECIALLY FOR HUNTING BIRDS AT 110 YARDS WITH (the farthest I took a bird was 188-190 yards (rangefinder variance)with with many many many 125-150 yards with a dial of death ballistic turret (Rangefind then click that dial to the distance and aim dead on). I own many in both 177 and 22 SOME (not all) are SUB MOA CAPABLE. The only airguns that can beat them past 150 yards are good PCPs. Good luck using any other springers no matter how good of a shot you are past 70 yards because I tried them all including Russ Bestuned, Ken Reeves, Paul Watts, Rich in Mich, John in PA tuned guns. If you have the ability to buy 10 of them in 22 then you go bench rest all and shoot them at 100M and keep the most accurate one (or two) and sell (or return if possible) the rest.
 
G’day Scott and welcome from a fellow Aussie. I don’t own the 97 but one of my rifles is the HW77 in 22 cal. I believe the 77 out of the box is a tad more powerful then the 97, just different looking. I haven’t done any plinking with it at 100 metres but use it mostly for hunting and plinking up to 50 metres. The Weihrauch’s are very accurate.

I fitted a Hawke Airmax 4*12*40 to it and it sits on a Sportsmatch Dampa mount. Personally I like the 22 cal rifles but to each their own but I did own a couple of 177’s and witnessed first hand more pellet drift in windy conditions.

I also own a Walther Challenger Ultra in 22 cal, it to is just as accurate as the Weihrauch’s but the trigger isn’t as good which sometimes affects my accuracy.

Good luck in your search and it’s customary here on AGN to post the pictures once you get it😁

Gary


 
Springers are not 100 meter capable; falling off exponentially beyond 50 meters. However the most powerful break-barrel HWs will be much more effective beyond 50 meters than HW under-levers in real world conditions. I'd recommend .22 over .177.


I’d echo this. 100 yards for a springer is nowt really a capable platform. I know the springer guys will come out and say they can stretch it out, but the fact is that is more PCP territory. 
 
Besides the range limitation with a springer, you need to sure you don't break the scope with the springer's double recoil — which limits your scope options significantly. 🤔



I understand that "just grabbing a gun and a tin of pellets" seems so convenient. — However, a (spring-)gun twice the weight of a PCP doesn't seem so convenient any more if you shoot anything else but benchrest.... 🤔



With $150 a PCP can be made very silent.... And it allows you — with some basic technical skill — to adjust the power.

Just looking at the options.....

Matthias
 
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Cheers for the info.

We're (Australia) somewhat limited with moderators/silencers/suppressors being fitted to any firearm. I'd have to have a look at the extent this applies to air rifles.

Any particular model scope/rings you'd recommend if I went for the HW97?

Alternatively, if i stopped being such a Jew and forked out for a PCP, what sort of package/setup would you recommend for my criteria?

Would be keen for some info re: sound dampening too.



Cheers in advance 
 
Scotty,

you probably shouldn't just go buy some recommendation like: "Go buy yourself model X from brand Y. Trust me, it's really good!"

You probably should buy a gun that fits your requirements — for your type of shooting — for your budget. 😊



The same applies to a scope. I just started several thread about scopes — and I am startled and disgusted at the types of scopes people declare as their favorites — "disgusted" because I would never buy a scope like that, not for 50% off...!!

This tells me that (1) my opinion and my likes is just that: MY perception of what's appropriate for ME. (2) People are probably startled and disgusted at the type of scopes and guns I consider "the best" 😄 — because they are "best" for me only — and not for them.... 😄



I'll list some of the criteria that will move you to one type or another type of gun.

In the end you'll have to weigh each one — which are more important to you. 👍🏼





🔶(1) One Universal Gun — or Several Specialist Guns (eventually)?

Will you eventually buy a gun+scope for every use that you have? Be HONEST to yourself...! 😄

—A gun for target shooting to 100y

—A gun for the varmints in your yard

—A gun for .....?

If that is eventually what you'll do, buying several specialized guns — your gun+scope choosing gets easier! — because you don't need to buy a univeral gun "that does it all" — and still keeps your marriage in tact when the credit card bill arrives....

Believe me, I tried to buy a universal gun on a marriage—preserving budget — you don't have many to choose from.....



🔶 (2) Consistent Challenge to Hold the Gun Just Right — or Consistent Shooting?

Do you like the constant challenge to hold the gun just right in the artillery hold — with just the right amount of pressure, the hands placed just so — in order to hit the target? ➔ Then you are fine with springers.

If you get frustrated that once you learn how to hold gun A just right — you now need to re-learn how to hold gun B just right, and if you want to hold your airrifle the same way as your powder burners:

➔ Then you might be better off with a PCP

or a recoilless springer (like AirArms TX200, Diana/RWS 54 or 56).



🔶(3) Long Range (100y) — or Mid Range (50y)?

Will you get bitten by the long range bug? 100 yards? 125 yards? 200 yards? ➔ Then PCP is the only answer (unless you have a long range indoor shooting range or a factory building or long closed off barn to shoot in).



🔶(4) Loudness — Is it Tolerable — Or Is QUIET a Must?

Will the loudness of the gun be important? ➔ Then PCP is the answer, especially at higher power levels, because with shrouds and silencers (if they are legal in your loc) you can get them to quiet down much more than a springer.





🔶(5) Do You Want to Tinker — or "Not Mess Around Much, Just Shoot"

If you were born with two left hands — meaning if you are not so good with mechanics and machines, or simply don't enjoy tinkering, changing o-rings, making adjustments to some spring or regulator — or simple don't want to send the gun off to an airgun tuner/fixer:

➔ Then a springer will be your friend, because even the best PCPs need maintenance.





🔶(6) Straightforward and Simple — or Sophisticated Options

For shooting, do you like it straightforward and simple — "grab a gun and a can of pellets and hit the woods"?

Or do you like sophisticated (and sometimes complicated) options and features — that require additional accessories and gear?

If it's the first ➔ Springers

If it's the second ➔ PCPs (a hand pump* from China for $40 is all you truly need, however an airtank ($400) or air compressor (twice that $, or more) make the filling a lot more convenient.

(*If you hand pump, you might want to limit yourself to PCPs with 250bar or less in the airtube, as it gets a lot harder with higher pressure.)







🔶(7) Weight

Is it important that the rifle is light (because you plan to carry it on extended hunts)? ➔ PCPs are on average lighter, my bullpup weighs 6lbs — as compared to springers with 9, 10, or more lbs.





🔶(8) A Person Easily Content — or one With High Expectations

▪If you are an easy going person, content, easily satisfied — don't allow other people to make you feel bad for buying a gun for X dollars (X being too cheap and low quality in their own mind).

▪But if are a person who is not easily satisfied, someone who keeps pushing for more, with high expectations — you might just want to save up your money and buy a $1000 or $2000 gun, instead of the $300 or $500 gun....

You've heard the slogan: "Buy once — cry once" — I learned that little piece of wisdom in the airgun universe.... 😄 (Maybe a clever sales manager put it out there...?)

But it holds true for the second type of person. You might never get satisfied with the Chinese knock-off, you'll always deeply desire that other four-digit-sticker-price gun. Well, in that case, you might as well skip the cheap Chinese and go for that other gun/ scope.





⭐ ⭐ ⭐

The options on the gun market and scope market are huge — and they keep growing.

When you have made up your mind about some of your most basic requirements and values in guns — you'll be able to have a more focussed search and can weed out the guns that don't fulfill your requirements.



Happy shopping!

Matthias 😊


 
Many thanks Matthias. A lot of relevant info for me to consider.

What's your thoughts on a few quality model PCPs suited to longer distance shooting in a 22 (or other suitable calibre)? And scope recommendations for same? 

I've got access to other rifles for other purposes, just wanting something for a bit of fun and see how far I can lob pellets accurately. Don't mind spending some real money to get something flash.

Mightg me something to research a bit further
 
Scotty,

I think when it comes to identify and recommend quality rifles others should be opening their mouths (or tap their keyboards). 😄 



For choosing a scope you again would be best served by identifying what kind of shooting you will be doing — but especially how you plan to adjust your aimpoint for the rather loopy trajectory of an airgun beyond say 35 or 40y (mid powered PCP, e.g. 30FPE in .22cal):

➔ With the turrets — or with the reticle?

▪If you plan on using thereticle, this will bring a whole slew of features that you might want to consider....

▪If you plan on using the turrets, your scope should probably be at least cost $200-300 — and many shooters here would say it should cost twice that amount — in order for the turrets to be of sufficiently good quality to "track true."

▪If you say — I want to use both reticle and turrets — depending on the kind of shooting I'll be doing — then yeah, you limited your choices a bit. But still, there are plenty of options (in the US, don't know about your neck of the woods....). 😊



I have a post somewhere here on deciding on the features of a scope, I'll pull that out later. 😊



Matthias