Looking for PCP Pistol

I don’t see as many PCP pistols now days. Just a year ago Brocock made one now I don’t see it any more. Was it poor quality? Did Daystate ever make one? I have thought about getting a Styer LP50 but 2000 bucks is a lot to spend on a pistol I have never tried. What I want it for is plinking in the yard and occasionally shoot a pigeon in the rafters of my hay barn. 20’ max. What fits my needs?



thanks, Jim
 
I got the Ataman AP16 compact, very happy with it, accurate, compact and solid. I just got a scope to put on it to really put its accuracy through the paces -but- its regulator popped up an issue, it hits 200bar and it starts behaving like its at 100bar and not shooting. So, its in getting warranty service. Little disappointed in it having issues after only 500+ rounds, but waiting to hear back from the service dept. to learn whats going on.

That problem aside i fully intend on keeping it has been my #1 gun i've been reaching for to shoot, lots of fun and accurate! Most importantly, and the top reason i got it, is that it is true pistol size, all other air pistols (aside from co2) are 16 inches + (that i have seen) 



i have a FAS6004 on back order from AOA, but that is .177 single stroke, so fill probably be strictly target shooting...
 
My Benjamin Prod is worth it's weight in gold! Awesome accuracy, decent shot count, (w/Lane regulator) shoots 14.6 gr .22 pellets at 700 fps. I get a good 46 shots on reg. From a 3000 psi fill.

That with the DonnyFL Shogun moderator and this thing is my go to gun for anything inside 35 yrds. 

Super quiet! 

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I don’t see as many PCP pistols now days. Just a year ago Brocock made one now I don’t see it any more. Was it poor quality? Did Daystate ever make one? I have thought about getting a Styer LP50 but 2000 bucks is a lot to spend on a pistol I have never tried. What I want it for is plinking in the yard and occasionally shoot a pigeon in the rafters of my hay barn. 20’ max. What fits my needs?



thanks, Jim


Jim,

I was stuck with the same dilemma. Most all the pistol offerings have very heavy pricings ranging from $500 to well over $1,000. I made the infrastructure investment of tanks, whips and compressors to support my FX Crown, so it was only logical to look for a PCP pistol. Like you, I intend to plink in my back yard and shoot pests, so I was very reluctant to invest the kind of money these pistols cost for my intended purposes. Then I ran across the Artemis PP700S-A. It has iron sights as standard. It is single shot and regulated. It comes in .177 and .22. Best of all it costs only $250. You can get a silencer for it as well from Artemis at very small money. I ordered mine yesterday.
 
I really like the looks of the 1701. But from reading reviews the grip that may wobble and the 4lb trigger I couldn't live with. The 

Artemis looks good but it seems you may get a good one and may not. I should go look at a Ranchero and the HW. I would be very interested in hearing a LP50 HP I wonder if I would think its loud or? I guess you can get a moderator for anything, and have never help a pistol with one on it. but I think it would be to loong for me. I have spent hours looking the net. I guess that keeps me out of trouble





thanks, Jim
 
Hi Jim,

Here is a couple pictures of my Hatsan ATP1 .25 cal. Pistol...As you can see it has plenty of spare mags, a Huggett Silencer, a HoloSun HS515C Circle Dot Sight - that can switch to dot only - and runs on solar or battery, and also has a spare air cylinder. The air cylinders can be filled with a hand pump very easily. Using the JSB 25.4 Exact Kings it generates 24 foot pounds of energy and is laser accurate. It gets 18 full power accurate shots per fill on air cylinder. And as you may have noticed, this is one of the original ones that came with fiber optic open sights, and I have her two stage trigger set to just under a whisper... She has an adjustable palm rest at the base of the grip, which is a state of the art Olympic class pistol grip. She is definitely a pidgin slayer and will handle ground hog and raccoon size small game easily, so something like this may fit your needs perfectly!

All the best, Chuck

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That's a sharp looking AP16 Seebee, where did you get the grips, and how do you like them? I've been itchy to have mine back in my hands, it just went out for warranty service.



I don't know of any other .22 caliber, repeating, true pistol sized (for the compact, but hey, the AP16 is a platform, you can change out the barrel and cylinder, way cool) pcp's on the market, Ataman got my business because they filled those marks.
 
(apologies if i'm jumping ahead of Seebee here) On my end, the trigger is the best i've pulled, very light second stage, sometimes a little grit on the first stage but nothing i would complain about (it's not saying too much, i haven't pulled many high end triggers for comparision, but i really enjoy the AP16). I have the compact, when i get it back i'll share some pictures and info on what was up with it. 



I have only shot it with iron sights, in the 10 yard range, standing, if there is a miss it's my fault. I am confident when i put the scope on it i'll be going out much further than that. Feels good in the hand, had to figure my hold on it, as the tooling of the metal where your middle finger wraps around has an edge right where you finger rests if you hold it wrong, i make this sound worse than it is, but that bevel in the machining could have gone higher to be perfect (but it does look great), while i am content with the stock wood grips i would be interested in trying out grips like seebees. 



I'm a right handed shooter, cocking is excellent, often times after loading in the magazine i throw the lever home with my right hand thumb, so one handed operation for closing the bolt. I really appreciate how the Ataman magazine is designed, fast and easy to load in any order, and you can load it without removing it if you want (the top chambers are fully accessible). Being open does mean you could get debris in there more easily than a sealed magazine like the Benjamin's, but the practicality of the Ataman design i have found so much faster and convenient to load.



The safety is backwards to how most of my guns work, in the direction you push it off. BUT this is actually a great thing, you can push the safety off with your thumb, if you do that it is Very natural and none of that awkward workings with your index finger. Keep your trigger finger at ready, and use your thumb high on the grip to depress the safety. this benefit is to Right handed shooters, the gun does favor righties, but is still workable for lefties.



Noise, hardly anything from the hammer and spring, but the report does have a crack to it, i'm trying to think of a comparable sound for it, because "a loud airgun" is still miles quieter than any .22lr center fire, even subsonic rounds. I suppose if you were to take a dry stick, 1/2 inch round and break it, the noise might be similar, but that is still very subjective. It's quiet enough that i don't want hearing protection, but loud enough that i have the moderator from Krale on the away. I intend on using the moderator for when i'm target shooting all day and its just nice to have it hush hush, or if i am purposefully out on the hunt and want a greater chance for follow up shots when there are multiple opportunities. What is great about that, is i get to choose when and where the gun is compact, no other pistol i have seen out there is in the 12" range, every other repeating .22 is easily 16" or more. I was worried about the noise when i first bought mine as well, but it really is a minor issue after i got it and i'm buying the moderator more so because it is inexpensive so why not. 



Mine has not exhibited any pickiness for ammo type, but I will know better once i have the opportunity to Scope it and shoot from a resting position, also the magazine holds the JSB monsters and H&N pile drivers, so i have yet to find a pellet that is too long for it. (chambering the pile drivers was snugger than i like and i probably won't continue using them, but it likes the Monsters alot)



For a $999 pistol i would have like a click type adjsutable wind-age and elevation rear sight, but while the iron sights are basic, they are robust and look great. I painted my front post yellow with a thin black line down the center, tiger eye, made it easier to sight for me. I don't have a chrony, but the regulator seemed to do its job well (until it started giving issues which it went in for warranty work, will have more info on that hopefully soon), i was seeing 21+ shots per fill, and most the time i was filling to 250-275 bar. Hand pump filling is all i do, and it's pretty quick to fill that little tube, the last pumps to top it out to 300 asked more body weight on the pump, but i could fill that thing all day with a hand pump. (i am currently working on a backpacking hand pump, will share more when i've got the prototype up and running).



To date it is my favorite gun to shoot, and i'm itchy to have it back.
 
And jsut of this moment it looks like Krale has got some good sales on the Standard AP16. I purchased mine through pyramyd, have always been happy with their service, so they have earned much of my business, but the compact and standard are $999 at pyramyd, and right now at Krale, i'm seeing compacts for $902 and standards for $854, you pay a bit more for shipping, but would still be saving a bit there (especially if you buy the moderator and have it shipped in one go).