Help me finding arguments to defend the Panthera.
Honestly I do not find any !!
Look at this video. Who would choose a FX Panthera over a M3 and why?
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Help me finding arguments to defend the Panthera.
Honestly I do not find any !!
Saw that video and impressive shooting! Even more impressive is a 300 yard range with out any wind!
There is no need to defend Panthera or any guns really. Panthera is design for PRS with lower profile and then next generation valving so that a traditional rifle can have the same power of impact which is a bullpup. So it boils down to ergonomics, many people myself included find bullpup difficult to shoot precisely especially at really high power due to ergonomics. I been shooting long range with my crown for a while now and wanting more power then Panthera shows up.
If bullpup ergonomics work for you then stick with an impact, it’s just phenomenal that we finally getting impact power in a traditional rifle form factor without going to airforce.
There is no need to defend Panthera or any guns really. Panthera is design for PRS with lower profile and then next generation valving so that a traditional rifle can have the same power of impact which is a bullpup. So it boils down to ergonomics, many people myself included find bullpup difficult to shoot precisely especially at really high power due to ergonomics. I been shooting long range with my crown for a while now and wanting more power then Panthera shows up.
If bullpup ergonomics work for you then stick with an impact, it’s just phenomenal that we finally getting impact power in a traditional rifle form factor without going to airforce.
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For me the biggest challenge with bullpups is the height. This aspect makes the platform difficult to fit in tight spaces and easier to cant.
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It simply comes down to the package. In PRS you often have stations where you are sticking your rifles through a "small" hole and engaging targets. With the m3 having the bottle on the bottom front, the vertical height of the entire rifle is so tall it wouldn't even fit in some of these spots.
I'm not sure why we have so many of these pointless topics turning up. If you're pesting or doing bench rest, yeah sure.. you won't see the point of the new rifle
I'm not sure why we have so many of these pointless topics turning up. If you're pesting or doing bench rest, yeah sure.. you won't see the point of the new rifle
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It's pretty cool how he edited out all the misses and the initial ranging. I wonder what the total shot count was for those hits? Good shooting, nonetheless, but if you didn't know any better, you'd think he just set up, got the yardage, dialed in the shot, and hit them. 
He did actually hit the last egg that was pretty cool.
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People who haven't shot an "all out" rig designed for PRS/NRL, be that centerfire or rimfire, cannot fully realize in actuality the important synergy between rifle and man in such a competition that makes the difference between finishing 3/4 the way up the roster or winning.
I know this first hand as I saw these "Precision Rifle" matches, those rifles, the cartridges, the riflescopes, and the ancillary gear, evolve onward from 16 years ago when I got into these sports.
The Panthera emphasizes the rifle aspect of the current evolution in these sports.
If yuh don't know yuh don't know...
I know this first hand as I saw these "Precision Rifle" matches, those rifles, the cartridges, the riflescopes, and the ancillary gear, evolve onward from 16 years ago when I got into these sports.
The Panthera emphasizes the rifle aspect of the current evolution in these sports.
If yuh don't know yuh don't know...
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For sure, we assume that what we see is truth..... If he is shooting at 100 yards instead of 300, well, nothing to show of.It's pretty cool how he edited out all the misses and the initial ranging. I wonder what the total shot count was for those hits? Good shooting, nonetheless, but if you didn't know any better, you'd think he just set up, got the yardage, dialed in the shot, and hit them.
In one of the movies of Back to the Future Doc shows a rifle with a cosmic scope mounted on it and he says that with that setting he is able to take out a flea from a horse at a mile of distance.... At least we know he was kidding....
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I know little to nothing about FX guns other than what Ive watched and read, and have never shot or held one (so be gentle please )... I did watch this vid...
Reasons to get the Panthera over the Impact? can think of two: first it seems everyone who has an Impact spends a fair amount of time getting the gun dialled in to the levels of performance they are after Second, also seems that Impact owners buy another $1000 worth of goodies to either make it run the way they want/need or stiffen the frame up (ie Gerhard's big red Sabre rail on his Impact...)
the Panthera is supposed to be field ready out of the box. SO for me, not having to spend a weekend at the range tuning, then killing my budget completely to get the extra goodies is a plus. I should mention I am looking hard at this gun, for NRL22 and long distance gopher/starling blasting. So having it "ready to go" with only mounting the scope is appealing.
)... I did watch this vid...Reasons to get the Panthera over the Impact? can think of two: first it seems everyone who has an Impact spends a fair amount of time getting the gun dialled in to the levels of performance they are after Second, also seems that Impact owners buy another $1000 worth of goodies to either make it run the way they want/need or stiffen the frame up (ie Gerhard's big red Sabre rail on his Impact...)
the Panthera is supposed to be field ready out of the box. SO for me, not having to spend a weekend at the range tuning, then killing my budget completely to get the extra goodies is a plus. I should mention I am looking hard at this gun, for NRL22 and long distance gopher/starling blasting. So having it "ready to go" with only mounting the scope is appealing.
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Ergonomics. I just can't get comfortable with a bullpup and the scope height makes it easier to have cant errors.
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I’ve hesitated to way in on this topic, but I digress. For me the point of impact changes would be of utmost priority, then balance which can be achieved numerous ways with conventional front bottled guns.
The one piece barrels seem like a must for the banging around that is unavoidable in these types competitions.
If you use the aluminum chassis that is more prevalent for RAW, now Daystate and FX for the crown etc. of course the AAA Evol you have a very rigid system, barrel to action to chassis.
If you get on the GREY OPS website you will find products exclusively for these comps. Using arca style rails.
My two cents worth, also not my intention to shoot in the competitions so I suppose it’s probably best just to leave it to those who are.
The one piece barrels seem like a must for the banging around that is unavoidable in these types competitions.
If you use the aluminum chassis that is more prevalent for RAW, now Daystate and FX for the crown etc. of course the AAA Evol you have a very rigid system, barrel to action to chassis.
If you get on the GREY OPS website you will find products exclusively for these comps. Using arca style rails.
My two cents worth, also not my intention to shoot in the competitions so I suppose it’s probably best just to leave it to those who are.
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I would take a Panthera over an Impact eyes closed ( the Impact never interested me )
Scope way closer to the bore
Barrel/shroud/rail/band system way more solid
lower profile
weight more towards the back.
Scope way closer to the bore
Barrel/shroud/rail/band system way more solid
lower profile
weight more towards the back.
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The Panthera is over a foot longer, over a pound heavier, and has maybe 30 shots if you tune it down.
But is also cheaper, much slimmer, and has pretty great height over bore.
But is also cheaper, much slimmer, and has pretty great height over bore.
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Excellent reasoning based on the marketing and hype. I totally agree.I know little to nothing about FX guns other than what Ive watched and read, and have never shot or held one (so be gentle please
Reasons to get the Panthera over the Impact? can think of two: first it seems everyone who has an Impact spends a fair amount of time getting the gun dialled in to the levels of performance they are after Second, also seems that Impact owners buy another $1000 worth of goodies to either make it run the way they want/need or stiffen the frame up (ie Gerhard's big red Sabre rail on his Impact...)
the Panthera is supposed to be field ready out of the box. SO for me, not having to spend a weekend at the range tuning, then killing my budget completely to get the extra goodies is a plus. I should mention I am looking hard at this gun, for NRL22 and long distance gopher/starling blasting. So having it "ready to go" with only mounting the scope is appealing.
Good luck.
Patrick
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I'll be in Salt Lake City over the holidays. We'll drop into Utah Airguns and see/hold the thing first hand, assuming they any in stock at the time
I ll have a better opinion then
I ll have a better opinion then
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