"Long" Bullpups

[Steyr]

I'm struggling to understand the concept of a "long" configuration of a bullpup - similarly those who use long moderators on their bullpups. Bullpups in my humble opinion are supposed to be compact, short & pointable, perfect for stalking and hunting - not long broomstick like rifles. Bullpups also seem to be getting longer and longer every year. Take the AGT vulcan for instance - its grown by a couple of inches in the last version. Are they more accurate these longer versions? If so why not just use a normal rifle. Please explain to me ...

 

[orion]

You are correct, bullpups are supposed to be short. But think what happens when you offer a bigger caliber. Check the streamline, that is not even a bullpup, in 25 cal it’s bigger than in .22

So having a long version is appealing for those who look for better shot count in bigger calibers. 

I don't think accuracy is the reason, because most of the bullpups, at least the more popular ones, are in their short versions super accurate. IMO this is just another option for those that don’t care much about having something short but don’t have “rifle” version with same characteristics. If there is a market for it, there will be an offer, that’s why now you see this semi-bullpup concept.

 

[Exitpupil]

BP configuration allows for a long barrel for PCP efficiency in a reasonable gun length without a nose heavy balance.

 

[Bob_O]

I don't think those going for a longer barrel are doing it to gain accuracy, rather they're looking to gain more power.

With a bullpup, you can have a longer barrel but still have a shorter OAL than a rifle. The Wildcat 25 I had with 600mm barrel and 7" DonnyFL KOI didn't feel long at all, and I was able to maneuver in tight spaces very easily with it.

With my Crown, 500mm barrel and 6" DonnyFL Sumo, it's pretty long. I'd love to put a 600mm barrel on it but that might make it longer than what I'm comfortable with.

In the end, it mostly depends on how short a person wants their bullpup to be.

https://youtu.be/gYaUN4qJ5D4

 

[Jammin22]

I have a great example- I own a Power tuned Cricket.25. I have hunted with it for a few years now. I'm starting to get a little older and need a little more length for stability. So, I sent the Cricket back to George Airguns to get a Sumo installed. Which did help on stability but also made it whisper quiet for a 62ftlb. I did just try to go to the Carbine version and replace my pup. But, didn't like it for several reasons. 

 

[DirtyDovi]

Guilty..

Yeah, the bullpup configuration just took a regular rifle setup, and brought the action backwards 
into a shorter stock, then moved the trigger forward - to keep the overall length short[er] and weight towards the back.

I used to have a bunch of bp 22LRs too.
I just personally like the form factor / wait distribution better..

 

Sam -

PS: My mods are only on them because I'm shooting indoors..
When outside - most of the time - they'd be shorter and naked again.

 

[DirtyDovi]

Bob_O brought up a great point.

If going with larger caliber / heavier weight projectiles, longer barrels are used so that the pellet has the necessary length to travel 
for x amount of air to push/propel it forward - without having to use too much air - and also be as efficient as possible..
Efficient as far as air used and pellet stabilization as it leaves the barrel.
I think people just see it more and more lately because more companies are offering rifles that reach out to a longer range..

Sam -

 

[orion]

Sam,

What rifle is that one with the super long moderator? I do not recognize it

 

[DirtyDovi]

Hey bro!

That rifle is a Kral Arms Puncher Breaker in .22 cal.
It is one of my all time favorite bullpups to date..

[Until I get my paws on a Cricket or Veteran]  

 

[randy_68]

Yep they are longer but more powerful. My powertuned .25 Cricket is 39" long but over 60 fpe . I didn't think I would like it like that but it's great. Still shorter than most rifles and handles great.

 

[Dairyboy]

I like long bullpups because I like guns with longer barrels for power and efficiency. Having a gun with a 23" barrel that's only 32" OAL is pretty great. A rifle in same configuration is 45"+ usually. I've tried short bullpups and admit there great to shoot in very tight areas I'm not as steady as the longer bullpups due to the weight and length. Also like the longer airtube for lots of shots.

 

[DirtyDovi]

Dairyboy,

You mentioned something Very important..
Barrel length isn't just the only variable - Air Capacity is just as if not more important!
In pb configuration, a much larger / longer air tank can be used - Without throwing off the weight..
If the same upper setup was in rifle configuration, the front end would be ridiculously heavy as is..
Then add the potential weight of a bipod, suppressor, [even scope and scope accessories]
It would turn any carry gun into a bench rester for sure. haha

Sam -

PS, I've always owned and shot - and still own and shoot traditional style rifles also.
Both air-powered and powder-burners.. [i just don't like them as much]

 

[MikeVV]

Yea, kinda defeats the reason for the "bullpup" design. In powder burning rifles anyway. They were designed for close quarter fighting.

28" and up barreled bullpups need a new name.

Like, who ever came up with the title "moderator". Silencer, mitigator, muffler yea. According to Websters, NOT a "moderator".

Mike

 

[ackuric]

More like FULLpup when its over 32" in length IMO....but 32" and under is fairly acceptable IMO for a traditional bullpup, an inch or two not making any real difference...but if you get into traditional rifle lengths then FULLpup sounds a lot more accurate of a description...lol

 

[Eddie_E]

MikeVV, you can call a moderator anything you like, just don't complain too much if you end up on the official "No Fly List" and can't take your kids on a Disney vacation because you used the original term on the internet. Hollywood movies have made some words trigger people. In the real world, the most popular PB can reduce sound from 160 db to 140 db. In the movies it's shown as quiet as a mouse click.