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If you had to pick 1!!

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markhooper said:
yes really.. less than 50 ft.. and the squirrel laughing standing up the whole time.. glad no one was watching.. that could be very embarrassing.. whole box of 410 shells and I said that it was only good for a coon in a very short tree not more than a broom stick away.. that I couldn't see at night.. right after attacking my dog..
nope I prefer long range accurate shooting.. love 100+ yards and if anyone can tell me what slugs to get, well I just might be able to get a group past 160..
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so my American tactical liberty nova.. it's the most accurate one I have.. it's basically a avenger with factory open sights..2" group to 100 yards.. 3-4" group at 160 yards and well at 170 yards nothing on the 24"x24" target, so I am guessing that it's out of power, possibly slugs might group farther?? I can hit at 1/4 mile a one gallon can with a Henry 22 golden boy.. so I am thinking that my 22 pellets just run out of juice right after 160 yards since it was pretty good there but nothing on target with just another 10 yards?? any suggestions??
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BackStop said:
I disagree with this 100% and it is provable via price alone.

What I espouse is accuracy/precision over caliber. Accuracy/precision is the key. Too many people like to think that the higher caliber .22 is better because they think it gives them more "room" for less accuracy/precision.

Well, accuracy/precision is the whole ball game in my humble opinion.

Although I ONLY shoot .177 because the largest pest I shoot is a tree rat, I also understand that .22 or larger may be needed for larger game/pests.

However, relying on a larger caliber, rather than being accurate/precise, with shots is a truly lame excuse for using a higher caliber.


Essentially, what I am saying is if you can't shoot at least MOA with any caliber, then upping the caliber is YOU trying to excuse YOUR lack of desire to be accurate/precise with your shots.

Nothing personal towards you. Just my general observation of a lot of folks who think they NEED a higher caliber rather than work on being more accurate/precise in their shooting.

Am I a perfect shooter? NO!!! But I work very hard to be as accurate/precise as I can be without ever thinking about going to a higher caliber to compensate for my failings.

JMHO
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question, what is moa? would open sights at 50 yards and quarter covered the group? 100 yards under 2".. again still open sights?? I've read a little bit about moa in pyramid air, and they had a moa challenge but I was reading it at it's close.. and something about some type of gauge..
and well there's moa and mil dot scopes, so I just don't know much about it.. more into the fun part but knowledge is good too..
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My 3 PCPs are .177. I do not need to reach beyond 50 or 60 yards and, though I rarely shoot pests, any that need to be dealt with can be humanely whacked by a well placed shot. My most common living target are chipmunks, and while it is fun to turn them inside out with a .30, an artfully placed shot with a .177 is equally gratifying. I fill with a hand pump so I prefer smaller, tube reservoirs over bottled guns. I still get terrific shot counts from all my .177 cal PCPs, even with their smallish reservoirs. And then there's the sound and safety factors that allow me to shoot in my back yard most any time I like.
If my circumstances change and I get into a home in an even more rural area with more property, I would happily expand my accumulation to other calibers. Right now, to get the most enjoyment from my toys, I will stick to .177.
 
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My 3 PCPs are .177. I do not need to reach beyond 50 or 60 yards and, though I rarely shoot pests, any that need to be dealt with can be humanely whacked by a well placed shot. My most common living target are chipmunks, and while it is fun to turn them inside out with a .30, an artfully placed shot with a .177 is equally gratifying. I fill with a hand pump so I prefer smaller, tube reservoirs over bottled guns. I still get terrific shot counts from all my .177 cal PCPs, even with their smallish reservoirs. And then there's the sound and safety factors that allow me to shoot in my back yard most any time I like.
If my circumstances change and I get into a home in an even more rural area with more property, I would happily expand my accumulation to other calibers. Right now, to get the most enjoyment from my toys, I will stick to .177.
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I agree. If I had the property where I could use a higher caliber, then I would probably at least start to drool over that propect.

Thankfully, for the $$$$ it would cost me, my needs are met with a low powered .177 PCP. I have a DAR and Akela that are essentially useless to me.

I will give Crosman credit where it is due. The Fortitude Gen2 is on it's 3rd year as my main pesting gun. With all of its warts and idiosyncrasies, it is the gun I use for all of my pesting. I'll try to post a link to my unbiased review of the Fortitude, but it might take me a while because as long as I am logged in, AGN takes a LONG LONG time for me to post or search for anything. (heavy sigh)

OK, here is the post(s) I made about the Fortitude Gen2. I am still using it as my main pester, so that says a lot in my opinion. It has its faults, but has and is still working well for me. (smile)

Please disregard the blurb that shows up in this page below the link and just click to link to see my comments.

thoughts on Benjamin Fortitude Gen 2

just for plinking and maybe some light small pest critters . i have a .25 gauntlet for bigger stuff that's smaller than a deer . i have lots of .177 pellets of multiple brands/types and weights so i'm not interested in the .22 version . it'll get the essential trigger mod and i've already got a...
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As a older guy I have always used .22 or .25 for field work etc. Target and plinking .177.

Lately .177 is my favourite calibre. Slugs and PCP flexible tuning, for me are a game changer. Distance, no problem, cost effective, yes.

Still, for me a hobby I can afford. Using .177.

Shoot all day for the cost of a couple of beers.

The cost of the larger calibres was driving me to beer, 😉.

Whatever you shoot guys, enjoy the whole experience.
 
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A 22 just seems to suit me. Just big enough yet just small enough. Maybe because it’s my oldest friend in the shooting game, powder and air.

Barrel availability is fantastic for a builder. You can get just about any twist and quality imaginable. I do a lot of valve/action design and possibilities are endless for me with the 22.

Power and accuracy from low to high (reasonably).

Just the view from my lens, I appreciate everyone’s input and opinions.

Dave
 
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I am locked to .177 by my benevolent leaders, that have foreseen my utter incompetence and absolute inability to be trusted with anything, so fortunately they can embrace me and protect me against myself and the many other here with the same problem ( 6 million ) ,,,,,,,LOL

But i would prefer to mainly be .22, and then say have 1 or 2 in .25 or .30

That being said and as is the rule of the lands, i do have good fun with my .177 rifles
 
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Im a bit confused on the number of posts saying slugs (177)are for past 50 yds. I like to use slugs at 100 for practice and hunting squirrels mostly to about 50 yds cause i can mostly shoot from 25-50 with no hold over or under. A squirrel in the woods doesn’t just sit there like at a feeder where the range is a given nor does he usually sit long enough to range and shoot. So for me that means with slugs i just have to see him and wait for the shot
 
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I just like springers and pump ups. For me it is 177. Target practice and biggest thing I hunt with it are rabbits, squirrels, rats and pest bird. Like the cheaper ammo prices. Gave away my Xisco B28 22 cal and now only have a Crossman 140 22 cal and Sheridan 20 cal for old time sake. If I want to hunt anything bigger, I use a 22 rimfire, muzzleloader or center fire. PCPs are too loud in my neighborhood and in the woods and gun range, might as well use a 22 cal rimfire. I do see the appeal for PCPs and a tuned walther barrel Maurader would be nice but do not have the time or money to add to my shooting sports.
 
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I voted for .22 because the title of the poll is "If you had to pick 1!!".

However, I like all calibers from .177 to 30-06 equally. They are all tools in my toolbox and I have fun with my tools.

My favorite can basher is my HW50 in .22. It knocks the hell out of a can at 13 fpe at 50 yards and deals with the wind better than a zippy .177.

Also Crosman .22 pellets are available everywhere at very reasonable prices. They seem to do pretty well in most rifles.

YMMV
 
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JDR said:
I just like springers and pump ups. For me it is 177. Target practice and biggest thing I hunt with it are rabbits, squirrels, rats and pest bird. Like the cheaper ammo prices. Gave away my Xisco B28 22 cal and now only have a Crossman 140 22 cal and Sheridan 20 cal for old time sake. If I want to hunt anything bigger, I use a 22 rimfire, muzzleloader or center fire. PCPs are too loud in my neighborhood and in the woods and gun range, might as well use a 22 cal rimfire. I do see the appeal for PCPs and a tuned walther barrel Maurader would be nice but do not have the time or money to add to my shooting sports.
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always wanted to get the 20 Sheridan.. she was a beauty.. I guess they are not made anymore?
if you want backyard friendly PCP 22 I'd highly recommend the umarex notos.. the factory moderator makes it as quiet or more so than a springer.. price is really reasonable too..
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markhooper said:
always wanted to get the 20 Sheridan.. she was a beauty.. I guess they are not made anymore?
if you want backyard friendly PCP 22 I'd highly recommend the umarex notos.. the factory moderator makes it as quiet or more so than a springer.. price is really reasonable too..
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They're not made anymore, but they still come up for sale or auction any number of places and how I got my 1973 Silver Streak...auction on Gunbroker.
Caliber? Never have been able to pick just one and have guns in 4 calibers.
For me, each of them has their uses and enjoyment and I definitely make use of them all.
I'll never be able to pick just 1, but my favorite of the 4 is .20 caliber :)
 
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