Leshiy Accidental Discharge Moving Safety > Fire

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No, I never set it from fire to safe by hand.
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OK. Since the gun will not "fully" set the auto safety with the bipod in place it means that your safety was only "half-set" when this happens.

The Leshiy safety is designed to be Auto-set. If you do not use this feature, and you try to manually set the safety (while the sear is already set) it will NOT fully set. It will only Half-set with "normal" pressure.

Those with Leshiy, try it. With safety on, note it's position. Then push it off. Then push it back on. It will likely only go 1/2 way due to the sear. Now push it with both thumbs and it will "click" and be fully set. (This is from the safety pushing the sear upward) Pretty sure those with the issue were pulling the trigger with the safety in half=set, which causes the sear to drop down and be held by the safety, until it is pushed off. When it is pushed off the gun fires.
 
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Yes I saw this in Brian's (EDgun West) Leshiy video. If you engage the safety only half way and pull the trigger the sear will drop so the only thing holding it is the safety (what Btb already described) so when yuo release the safety the gun will fire. Not the best thing but once you know about it it is easily avoided.



At 5:05 he explains the safety.

https://vimeo.com/256991829
 
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Yes I saw this in Brian's (EDgun West) Leshiy video. If you engage the safety only half way and pull the trigger the sear will drop so the only thing holding it is the safety (what Btb already described) so when yuo release the safety the gun will fire. Not the best thing but once you know about it it is easily avoided.



At 5:05 he explains the safety.

https://vimeo.com/256991829
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And you can tell if it's in half, or full safety by the trigger return (guns without any additional sear return spring added)

Cock gun and let gun set the safety. Pull the trigger and let it go it will immediately return to forward position. Push safety off and then back on. Pull the trigger and then let it go. It will either stay in the rear position, or very slowly move a little forward. It will require finger pressure to "reset" the trigger.

SO basically if used as designed (auto safety) the gun functions perfectly. It might just be an idea for Ed to add "If the safety is pushed off, it MUST be reset by cocking the gun"
 
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I now have a hole in the wall of my house just below my shooting window. Happened the day I bought my Leshiy. Did the spring mod under the trigger guard. Never happened again. Glad I am divorced. My wife would have freaked. My 50yrd winter range is out the window of what used to be her computer room.
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like many I have added the plunger screw mod for the 2nd stage but found the rifle wouldn't cock unless the trigger is pulled when cocking the gun - I have tried the spring mod under the trigger guard but this didn't seem to help much though - unless I was using the wrong kind of spring - found a spring from a ball point pen.
 
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Pretty sure those with the issue were pulling the trigger with the safety in half=set, which causes the sear to drop down and be held by the safety, until it is pushed off. When it is pushed off the gun fires.
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I think you may have hit the nail on the head. Last night I had the grip and trigger guard off, and watched the behavior of the safety and seat while cocking it to different angles. It would fire via the safety being switched to fire if the trigger was moved back.



Yes I saw this in Brian's (EDgun West) Leshiy video. If you engage the safety only half way and pull the trigger the sear will drop so the only thing holding it is the safety (what Btb already described) so when yuo release the safety the gun will fire. Not the best thing but once you know about it it is easily avoided.



At 5:05 he explains the safety.

https://vimeo.com/256991829

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The vendors should do a better job of communicating that to the buyers - whether that be a flyer in the box and/or an update to the manual. Had I have had a big warning in red ink telling me to make sure that the safety is fully engaged each time, I would have personally taken extra time to figure out under what conditions that the safety could act as a firing trigger (that's just the way I am). While I can appreciate that video that touches upon the subject, it cannot be assumed that every buyer will watch it.

From the responses to this thread, there's undoubtedly precedence to merit some sort of update to the manual at least. Fortunately, I get the sense that everyone else here has good shooting safety and general experience, but sooner or later - some newbie is going to have an accident.

Im not trying to create any problems, I live by the rule of making things better - not worse. I honestly didn't expect anyone else to have this issue though!
 
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This is a known issue with the leshiy. 
Hopefully Ed can chime in as to why it has not been corrected?
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That is easy, every mechanism has its way of work. The safety should be either pressed completely to be safe, or not pushed at all. When something is installed on the down rail it can protect the folding the tube completely, thus the safety is not pushed to the place enough, it holds at the half of the way, so the hammer is hold by the safety not by the sear, that is why when you push it to fire, the sear cannot catch the hammer and gun fires. Push the safety down completely and you will nothave that problem. 
 
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This is a known issue with the leshiy. 
Hopefully Ed can chime in as to why it has not been corrected?
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That is easy, every mechanism has its way of work. The safety should be either pressed completely to be safe, or not pushed at all. When something is installed on the down rail it can protect the folding the tube completely, thus the safety is not pushed to the place enough, it holds at the half of the way, so the hammer is hold by the safety not by the sear, that is why when you push it to fire, the sear cannot catch the hammer and gun fires. Push the safety down completely and you will nothave that problem.
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Thanks Ed - that's exactly how I described it as happening. BUT, you may want to include a "warning" about what happens if the safety is not fully engaged. Remember you are selling these guns in the US, where people can sue someone for selling them hot coffee and not telling them they will get hurt if they spill it on themselves.
 
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This is a known issue with the leshiy. 
Hopefully Ed can chime in as to why it has not been corrected?
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That is easy, every mechanism has its way of work. The safety should be either pressed completely to be safe, or not pushed at all. When something is installed on the down rail it can protect the folding the tube completely, thus the safety is not pushed to the place enough, it holds at the half of the way, so the hammer is hold by the safety not by the sear, that is why when you push it to fire, the sear cannot catch the hammer and gun fires. Push the safety down completely and you will nothave that problem.
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The problem is not describing how it should be done to prevent a possible catastrophic problem, but rather the fact that it can be done wrong at all. It should not be possible to actuate the safety mechanism in an incorrect manner. As a Mechanical Engineer, I can tell you this is not the way a product meant for public use should function. The safety operates fully and in only one manner and if not, it is an improper design! 

Again, I own a blue-colored Leshiy and I really like it, but the safety design and function is down right scary. I am 62 years old and own numerous high-end air rifles. I regularly compete in Field Target events and at times do quite well. The point being, I am not a beginner or negligent in use of my air rifles.
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How can you :(a manufacturer) determine if someone puts the safety on, let's it off, or only pushes it 1/2 way? Ed is telling everyone to put it on, or off, but NOT 1/2 way.

If you put the safety on fully you will not have a problem. Kinda like lug nuts on a car, don't drive with them 1/2 way on and you will be OK. Can the nut manufacturer be sure you do this? Only thing they can do is recommend what to do.
 
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I think the issue is this is a gun, not a wheel on your car. Go grab any Remington, Sako, Savage, or even a Walmart Marlin and see if you can get the gun to fire when you take the safety off after only moving it halfway. It’s a design flaw. End of story. But the fact that the whole gun is a design genius I can certainly live with being very conscious of the safety. The bottom line is if you follow rule #1 for any gun, “treat every gun like it’s loaded”, you should never shoot yourself in the foot or your buddy in the a$$.
 
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I think the issue is this is a gun, not a wheel on your car. Go grab any Remington, Sako, Savage, or even a Walmart Marlin and see if you can get the gun to fire when you take the safety off after only moving it halfway. It’s a design flaw. End of story. But the fact that the whole gun is a design genius I can certainly live with being very conscious of the safety. The bottom line is if you follow rule #1 for any gun, “treat every gun like it’s loaded”, you should never shoot yourself in the foot or your buddy in the a$$.
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This is where I'm at 100% in terms of ownership. I also do agree that known problems should be better communicated like other have expressed.

Throughout my professional career in tech, I earned the nickname "Edge Case", because IF there is a bug or problem with something, I will discover it right away.

With that said, I didn't realize Ed was an active member here (I'm new to the community in general). Ed - feel free to send me any pre-production or prototype guns to test, if there are issues - I'll be the one to discover them ;-)
 
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I think the issue is this is a gun, not a wheel on your car. Go grab any Remington, Sako, Savage, or even a Walmart Marlin and see if you can get the gun to fire when you take the safety off after only moving it halfway. It’s a design flaw. End of story. But the fact that the whole gun is a design genius I can certainly live with being very conscious of the safety. The bottom line is if you follow rule #1 for any gun, “treat every gun like it’s loaded”, you should never shoot yourself in the foot or your buddy in the a$$.
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You apparently haven't ever heard of the Remington 700.
 
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I think the issue is this is a gun, not a wheel on your car. Go grab any Remington, Sako, Savage, or even a Walmart Marlin and see if you can get the gun to fire when you take the safety off after only moving it halfway. It’s a design flaw. End of story. But the fact that the whole gun is a design genius I can certainly live with being very conscious of the safety. The bottom line is if you follow rule #1 for any gun, “treat every gun like it’s loaded”, you should never shoot yourself in the foot or your buddy in the a$$.
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You apparently haven't ever heard of the Remington 700.
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I have 3 of them. Never had one go off when I took the safety off after touching the trigger. I understand a single stage trigger is a whole different animal but my point was we are dealing with guns. There is a nasty stigma that goes along with lead smacking people and hurting or killing them. When a firearms manufacturer has a safety issue, after they are done being sued, they address it. I feel truly foolish because I was warned that my gun could do this but I guess I couldn’t grasp it until it happened. Personally, if my Leshiy’s safety completely failed and couldn’t be fixed, I still wouldn’t part with the gun.
 
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I think the issue is this is a gun, not a wheel on your car. Go grab any Remington, Sako, Savage, or even a Walmart Marlin and see if you can get the gun to fire when you take the safety off after only moving it halfway. It’s a design flaw. End of story. But the fact that the whole gun is a design genius I can certainly live with being very conscious of the safety. The bottom line is if you follow rule #1 for any gun, “treat every gun like it’s loaded”, you should never shoot yourself in the foot or your buddy in the a$$.
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You apparently haven't ever heard of the Remington 700.
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I have 3 of them. Never had one go off when I took the safety off after touching the trigger. I understand a single stage trigger is a whole different animal but my point was we are dealing with guns. There is a nasty stigma that goes along with lead smacking people and hurting or killing them. When a firearms manufacturer has a safety issue, after they are done being sued, they address it. I feel truly foolish because I was warned that my gun could do this but I guess I couldn’t grasp it until it happened. Personally, if my Leshiy’s safety completely failed and couldn’t be fixed, I still wouldn’t part with the gun.
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Apparently you've been lucky so far.

https://xmprecall.remington.com/

https://www.cnbc.com/2014/12/05/remington-to-replace-millions-of-model-700-rifle-triggers.html



https://youtu.be/Qa0cNr2_fSE
 
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I am a prospective buyer of the Edgun Leshiy Classic gen 2, and I have to admit I am a little bewildered by the responses in this thread downplaying the seriousness of the issue. In the firearms world this would be a mass recall. Please see the Ruger MKIV pistol half-way safety accidental discharge recall that matches the description of the issue on the Leshiy exactly. https://ruger.com/dataProcess/markIVRecall/

I used to be a small manufacturer of niche engineered hobby products so I understand that Edgun may not have the resources to do a mass recall, but the issue should be addressed at a minimum by the manufacturer describing the issue, defining clearly which guns are affected, and making available any procedures or parts needed to resolve the problem mechanically.

Has it been addressed? And if so, where can I learn about the process to resolve it?
 
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I had the issue several times with my brand new never altered or adjusted Gen 2 Leshiy. This is what solved it for me: When cocking the gun it was clear that sometimes the safety was only partially engaging, even though I had moved the airtube fully back to cock the gun and set the safety. When I pushed the safety from what I thought was safe to off-BANG! I went to the hardware store and bought a screw protector slightly smaller than the outside diameter of the safety button and jammed it on the left side safety button. Because it was too small, the little nubby stuck up a little, just enough to make better contact with the air tube and set the safety fully. Never had it happen again. Alternatively, you can also put multiple wraps of electrical tape on the air tube where when the gun is folded will push the button in a little more. It wouldn’t be a bad idea to do anyway to prevent the safety button from leaving a mark in the anodizing on the air tube from it repeatedly pushing the safety button in. The safety issue, difficulty changing the EDMU battery, and the lack of a tool necessary to change the lower oring in the EDMU were the only flaws I found with the Gen 2 Leshiy. One other thing, you may need to add a little round super strong magnet to keep the gun folded. You can find them on Fleabay. The one that is on it is too weak, and can allow the folded gun to open unexpectedly, allowing the hinged airtube to swing open. All these issues can be resolved for under $50.

Knowing what I now know, it would not stop me from buying a Gen 2 Leshiy. Do the above, and have the sure to fail EDMU swapped out for a rock solid Wika analog gauge and all will be well. I was very excited to see the reg tester for the yet to be delivered Leshiy 2 until I saw the EDMU on it. Unless they make the battery easier to change and supply the wrench to get to the lower oring, it’s dead to me.
 
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