Leshiy 2 short comings

[delooper]

I've got no problem with the trigger. Most of my powder-burning guns are single-stage triggers, as well. I've never needed to take a 100m shot with the Leshiy, perhaps that's why I've not experienced this issue. But I'm also not a terribly fussy person and tend to see myself as the problem more than my tools.

 

[Pale_Rider]

“Most of my powder-burning guns are single-stage triggers, as well”

The L2 is not a single stage trigger. There’s no consistent pull and no break.

It has nothing to do with being fussy. The L2 is an unconventional trigger that takes practice to master. It’s a far cry from conventional triggers that break like glass and can be adjusted to one’s liking

 

[delooper]

“Most of my powder-burning guns are single-stage triggers, as well”

The L2 is not a single stage trigger. There’s no consistent pull and no break.

It has nothing to do with being fussy. The L2 is an unconventional trigger that takes practice to master. It’s a far cry from conventional triggers that break like glass and can be adjusted to one’s liking

I can't tell what it is you're doing, but this smells of over-analysis.

 

[Pale_Rider]

I can't tell what it is you're doing, but this smells of over-analysis.

Haha! Playing a lot of chess will do that to your mind. I sometimes wonder what life would be like if I under-analyzed things, would it be truly blissful as the saying goes?

Rambling aside, the L2 trigger is nothing like a good single stage trigger, especially the part about having no..BREAK

 

[scopecreep...]

Raised with firearms I learned to shoot with and still prefer airguns. In my early 20s it wasn't uncommon for me to go through two or three hundred rounds in an evening with 10m pistol. It wasn't until I was threatened with death and later shot at that I embraced firearms and the training involved. When you're in a pressure situation with multiple targets there isn't time for a slow squeeze. This is the "Combat Trigger" Brian speaks of, a quick clean squeeze. Much like shooting a springer it's an acquired skill. If all you're used to is fancy airguns it's going to feel foreign and limit your accuracy.

I believe Ed got it right. Having encountered a pack of wild dogs while walking my own precious dog a couple weeks ago, the LAST thing would have I wanted was a fancy two stage trigger. The good news for folks with lots of time with snazzy airgun triggers is all that trigger time will accelerate your learning curve should you want to expand your realm.

 

[madeintheuk]

Felt I needed to correct that for you as I'm sure you didn't mean to make such a broad statement that would cause the thread to turn into another flame up.
Everyone has their opinions and the ability to choose what they like or not. We've heard your's, respect other's.

The reason I wrote it like that is because “combat gun” would give the intention that this rifle was made for said task. I think if anyone got the idea that air rifles were good for combat, we’d have much bigger issues.
There is no flaming involved here, just not convinced it’s the Correct term to use for the leshiy. It’s a purpose built hunting rifle (as Brian and Ed have said in the past), and should be used as such. Now there are people using it as a “practice” gun for combat drills, but this could be done with any “bb or airsoft” gun on the market. The leshiy 2 is quite expensive for that duty.
Alas, I’m getting off topic

 

[ctshooter]

I just don't see the big deal on the trigger. It's been talked about for 3 years now - it's not that big a deal for me. If you want to be more precise squeeze slow until you hear a small hiss and then complete the squeeze. I've gotten under 1/2" group at 40-50 yards when really taking my time. It's certainly not a precision trigger and one should not expect it to be.

Regarding the air coming out during the squeeze it is inaccurate to say that it is pushing the pellet down the barrel - it is not. That air being released is the secondary valve venting before the primary valve fires air down the barrel. The air being released is coming out of the lower area when the pin extends. The air in the smaller secondary chamber has to release to allow the primary valve to open and fire.

 

[madeintheuk]

I just don't see the big deal on the trigger. It's been talked about for 3 years now - it's not that big a deal for me. If you want to be more precise squeeze slow until you hear a small hiss and then complete the squeeze. I've gotten under 1/2" group at 40-50 yards when really taking my time. It's certainly not a precision trigger and one should not expect it to be.

Regarding the air coming out during the squeeze it is inaccurate to say that it is pushing the pellet down the barrel - it is not. That air being released is the secondary valve venting before the primary valve fires air down the barrel. The air being released is coming out of the lower area when the pin extends. The air in the smaller secondary chamber has to release to allow the primary valve to open and fire.

Good info. Thanks. Wondering why it effected my poi. Guessing another one of my pulled shots.
I do admit, I’m a trigger snob, but on this I’m not looking for mAtch grade, just something predictable.

 

[Bernie7]

Question… I’m about to be a Leshiy 2 owner, does the aluminum lower trigger group by Huma air effect this “issue”? And if it does not, is there any way that the issue could be resolved through 3rd party accessory or modification?

Thank you for your time!

 

[bigHUN]

The aluminum trigger group will not help, training with trigger will help, you need to learn the technique.

 

[beerthief]

I own a Leshiy Classic , absolutely prefect in every way .I bought it as my walk around hunter and believe i made an excellent choice . this Edgun does every thing it was designed to do .
The L2 is designed to do what it states it can do . The human mind is a wonderful thing , but it interrupts the things You read to your expectations if your not careful .

 

[Bernie7]

The aluminum trigger group will not help, training with trigger will help, you need to learn the technique.

Thank you

 

[ChRiSiS]

I have to agree that the L2 trigger is not my favorite. However, once I accepted that it was never going to match my FX triggers, and treated it the same way I would a stock revolver or AR-15 trigger things got better. IOt is certainly not a precision trigger, but frankly IMHO, the gun is not a precision gun.

I find the key is to treat it as very similar to a double action revolver. I don’t try to “stage” the trigger. Once I start the trigger press I keep going until it fires. Now, I typically shoot this gun offhand, not from a bench or bipod. It certainly gives me more than adequate accuracy shooting offhand out to 50 yards. I can keep all 8 rounds in the ”head” of a steel IPSC silhouette at 50 yards shooting 8 rounds in under 20 seconds. That’s good enough for me.

Do I prefer the trigger on my Huben, or on my Steyr’s (Pro X and Hunting 5 SA)? Sure. But with practice the L2 is good enough. As I said, it is similar to DA revolver shooting, but also has an overall feel similar to my AR15s.

Its also a lot of fun

 

[bigHUN]

Nothing is wrong with the trigger, it is just working different. For the length of trigger pull you can adjust also the length of pushing the pin you can adjust.
I was testing pellets - at least ten different Brand and weights - this last summer, I was swapping jets and - tuning Reg Dwell Time for tightest groups.
These are my targets @ 50 meters, in a gun range, 8 shot groups, just a quick handpicking these pictures, but I have "documented" all the pellets I was testing this way.
Nothing special but not bad at all.

 

[madeintheuk]

I think some have failed to see my true meaning of this post. I never said the trigger was “bad” or that I wanted long range precision from it. I simply said that I’m suprised with such a large aftermarket, that nobody has tried to make the trigger any better. In fact I think the ONLY gripe I hear from anyone that has tried or is looking to buy an L2 is that the trigger isn’t what they would have liked. The impact gets this treatment all the time. People made bigger mags (the side shot system), people implied the barrels with tensioning or carbon shrouding, people fixed the weak scope rail/backbone, they have improved hammer systems, improved regulators, improved buttstock, improved lower rails. You name it, the impact has it available. Yet the ONE thing that many would like changed on the L2, and nothing available!!

 

[Pale_Rider]

Replacing the rod (that pushes on the pin) with a small hammer, spring, and sear would give it a more conventional trigger experience. For the first shot the hammer would need to be cocked then subsequent shots would be cocked using the forward force from the valve when it opens. A rod connecting the valve to the hammer allows it to use the force from the valve opening to compress the hammer spring. It will work as long as the force from the valve opening is strong enough to compress the hammer spring.

*considering what @sb327 stated earler about the ball being ceramic, a hammer hitting the pin isn’t a good idea. Would have to change the material of the ball. Perhaps to PEEK or delrin

 

[Bernie7]

Nothing is wrong with the trigger, it is just working different. For the length of trigger pull you can adjust also the length of pushing the pin you can adjust.
I was testing pellets - at least ten different Brand and weights - this last summer, I was swapping jets and - tuning Reg Dwell Time for tightest groups.
These are my targets @ 50 meters, in a gun range, 8 shot groups, just a quick handpicking these pictures, but I have "documented" all the pellets I was testing this way.
Nothing special but not bad at all.

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This is the type of stuff I love, solid data! Zero wind, stable lighting and true distance. Is there a post where you summarize your recommendations with various brands/models/weight of pellets/slugs in combination with different reg pressures/barrel length/mods?

 

[DonEnzone]

There is no place in the airgun community for a “combat airgun” and I’m not looking for it to be a competition sniper rifle either. I have other guns for those duties. The leshiy 2 is my Edc gun that I use for small game inside of 75yds. It does it well, but again, I KNOW the accuracy would improve with an improved trigger. I’ve had quite a few years trying to perfect my trigger game, but I will still pull shots when I shouldn’t.

Woah there. Combat trigger does not equal "Combat airgun". That is just twisting my words right there. It's just a trigger style, nothing more. I prefer to use my L2 for fast, multi-target plinking at medium range. Quick target aquisition and fast reloads is how I enjoy shooting my airguns. I don't have the space for the long range stuff. And so far the trigger suits me just fine.

That said, If you have a great idea on how to improve the trigger group, great. Work it out, send it to Edgun ^^.

 

[Beer Nap]

There is no place in the airgun community for a “combat airgun” and I’m not looking for it to be a competition sniper rifle either. I have other guns for those duties. The leshiy 2 is my Edc gun that I use for small game inside of 75yds. It does it well, but again, I KNOW the accuracy would improve with an improved trigger. I’ve had quite a few years trying to perfect my trigger game, but I will still pull shots when I shouldn’t.

Just to be fair he never said it was a combat airgun. There is no such thing unless you want to die fast. He said the trigger felt to him as a combat trigger.

 

[Beer Nap]

Woah there. Combat trigger does not equal "Combat airgun". That is just twisting my words right there. It's just a trigger style, nothing more. I prefer to use my L2 for fast, multi-target plinking at medium range. Quick target aquisition and fast reloads is how I enjoy shooting my airguns. I don't have the space for long range stuff.

That said, If you have a great idea on how to improve the trigger group, great. Work it out, send it to Edgun.

You beat me to the reply but I'm happy that we are on the same page.