Leshiy 2 short comings

[madeintheuk]

I’ve owned a leshiy 2 for a few years now. While it is my favorite of my pcp’s and goes with me pretty much everywhere I go (due to folding size and simplicity), I’ve always longed for better accuracy. While it’s accurate enough at shorter distances, when you reach out, it’s just not getting what it should for accuracy. While some would say it’s due to the revolver style of the action, and possible damage to the pellet, I think it’s something that those who own one will agree, and that is the trigger. While the trigger isn’t overly heavy, there’s quite the learning curve to using it. I’ve gotten much better with it that I used to be, but still nowhere near what I can achieve with my fx guns.

I can to this conclusion while visiting a friend that currently went the route of the Huben (and sold me his leshiy 2 25cal to boot), and I was able to shoot it. The design of the action is very similar in that it fires the pellet directly from the magazine, and yet, the trigger is superb, and the accuracy has been proven time and time again out to crazy distances.
I truly believe this is achievable accuracy with the leshiy also, but the trigger would need substantial work to get there.

So……why hasn’t anyone come up with a new trigger group to help remedy this? With the plethora of aftermarket parts available for these guns, why hasn’t the trigger been addressed? Is it just impossible to improve on?
Would love to know others take, and possible ideas.

 

[iAMzehTOASTY1]

My experience seems to be that the simpler trigger assemblies are where it's at for me

 

[madeintheuk]

My experience seems to be that the simpler trigger assemblies are where it's at for me

The problem with the leshiy obviously is that the trigger pushes on a valve. There isn’t any seers to speak of, and for the most part it’s very simplistic. I have no idea how you would improve it based on its design other than to make it electronic somehow. Not my first choice, but interested in other ideas or options.

 

[peebrainz]

Electronic or maybe some kind of double action contraption.

 

[Pale_Rider]

Excellent topic. I imagine the valve would have to be redesigned to lessen the force required to open the pilot valve. Im no engineer but I think reducing the size of the plastic ball(part 45) and the pin that pushes on it would decrease the amount of pressure needed to open it.

The electronic trigger would be a cool addition that would give you a trigger better than a huben. Removing all the mechanical trigger parts would leave enough space for a tiny solenoid, relay and battery in the grip.

 

[Thach2264]

Because Edgun is built like a tank, so the trigger have to be built like a tank also.

 

[sb327]

The ball is ceramic. Hitting it with something might not do too well. I’ve considered some alternatives before and concluded whatever the alternative, it would probably need to ‘push’ rather than ‘hit’.

The pull weight is not the issue for me, it’s the break. It doesn’t brake cleanly. For me. I am a sloowwww squeeze guy, the L2 likes a more deliberate approach.

I have wondered (and if I ever get the time) I am going to design/make a trigger that ‘pre-loads’ a spring so when the pressure just starts to drop, the spring will finish breaking it quickly. Who knows…something to try.

Dave

 

[madeintheuk]

The ball is ceramic. Hitting it with something might not do too well. I’ve considered some alternatives before and concluded whatever the alternative, it would probably need to ‘push’ rather than ‘hit’.

The pull weight is not the issue for me, it’s the break. It doesn’t brake cleanly. For me. I am a sloowwww squeeze guy, the L2 likes a more deliberate approach.

I have wondered (and if I ever get the time) I am going to design/make a trigger that ‘pre-loads’ a spring so when the pressure just starts to drop, the spring will finish breaking it quickly. Who knows…something to try.

Dave

Yeah. Part of my issue. I slowly pull, and sometimes that causes a partial air release, which starts to push the pellet. Then I get a poi change. The trigger needs to be pulled quick, and that causes accuracy issues as most shooters don’t pull directly backwards on a trigger. There’s some side to side movement. If the trigger were to break cleanly, I think these accuracy issues would be lessened.

Because Edgun is built like a tank, so the trigger have to be built like a tank also.

Disagree. The leshiy classic as well as the R5 platform have fantastic clean breaking triggers. It’s the nature of the beast with this hammerless design, but I refuse to believe there isn’t someone or some company out there that can’t improve on it.

 

[Pale_Rider]

The ball is ceramic. Hitting it with something might not do too well. I’ve considered some alternatives before and concluded whatever the alternative, it would probably need to ‘push’ rather than ‘hit’.

The pull weight is not the issue for me, it’s the break. It doesn’t brake cleanly. For me. I am a sloowwww squeeze guy, the L2 likes a more deliberate approach.

I have wondered (and if I ever get the time) I am going to design/make a trigger that ‘pre-loads’ a spring so when the pressure just starts to drop, the spring will finish breaking it quickly. Who knows…something to try.

Dave

No need to “hit” it. Setup the solenoid so that it’s mimicking the original push rod, pushing on the pin.

 

[Airgunmann]

No need to “hit” it. Setup the solenoid so that it’s mimicking the original push rod, pushing on the pin.

That could help on lightening the pull and release correct air amount

 

[Dr. Kralenstein]

So a $2500 gun has a sub par trigger and lack luster accuracy?
(Crosses L2 off the list)

So sad these guns cost so much and they're not up to snuff. Innovative yes, cool yes, but I would be pretty upset to spend that amount on a gun and have complaints with it.

 

[madeintheuk]

So a $2500 gun has a sub par trigger and lack luster accuracy?
(Crosses L2 off the list)

So sad these guns cost so much and they're not up to snuff. Innovative yes, cool yes, but I would be pretty upset to spend that amount on a gun and have complaints with it.

There are complaints with every high end gun on the market. The impact has Stockton problems, and lots of orings, the delta/alpha wolf have electronics that are undesirable to some, etc. the leshiy 2 is a hunters gun, and is built as such. Some have zero issues with the trigger, and I’m only pointing out my own short comings. If the trigger is the only thing that could be improved on the gun, I think that’s pretty darn good. To each their own.

 

[Dr. Kralenstein]

There are complaints with every high end gun on the market. The impact has Stockton problems, and lots of orings, the delta/alpha wolf have electronics that are undesirable to some, etc. the leshiy 2 is a hunters gun, and is built as such. Some have zero issues with the trigger, and I’m only pointing out my own short comings. If the trigger is the only thing that could be improved on the gun, I think that’s pretty darn good. To each their own.

That electronic display on those daystates is such a turn off to me.

I'm sure the L2 is a sweet rig, I'd just be disappointed getting one not knowing the trigger situation. Would feel cheated. I guess I expect too much from something that's supposed to be at the top.

 

[madeintheuk]

That electronic display on those daystates is such a turn off to me.

I'm sure the L2 is a sweet rig, I'd just be disappointed getting one not knowing the trigger situation. Would feel cheated. I guess I expect too much from something that's supposed to be at the top.

We all do. Unfortuanlty there’s no perfect pcp. We make sacrifices based on our needs and wants. Then the aftermarket makes up for those short comings afterwards. I was hoping by this time, the aftermarket would have tackled the trigger, but they’ve been more focused on moderators (too many), and bling bits. Still no trigger improvements.

 

[Pale_Rider]

“the leshiy 2 is a hunters gun, and is built as such.”

The L2 is a hunters gun by default. I highly doubt Ed built it with hunting gun as the main theme. He observed that the market wanted a semi auto and he built a gun with semi auto as the main purpose. His method of achieving semi auto unfortunately sacrificed having a normal trigger in order to have a hammerless system, relegating it to be a “mid range hunters gun”

 

[dv8eod]

I will agree the trigger needs improvement. I personally have no problems with it. I have shot some really crappy triggers and some really nice ones. I wouldn't want a really nice one for hunting or a crappy one for targets. With some practice, the L2s trigger is good for clovers at 50yds for me. I even get them rapid fire with a bipod.

I found it easier to take on the learning curve by treating the slack as the first stage and contact with the pin as the second stage. A quick snap finishes the shot.

I do have a problem with jumping back and forth between guns and remembering how each trigger reacts, at least for the first five or so shots. The L2 did correct finger placement and I didn't even realize that was an issue for me.

Anyhow.... that's my take. YMMV

 

[DonEnzone]

I think Brian from EdgunWest said it best... the trigger on the L2 is a combat trigger. I personally like it. It feels very different from my other PCPs, which creates a nice contrast. And it's my favourite gun to use for mid-range plinking.

Not saying there's no room for improvement at all, but it seems some people want the L2 to be something it's not. It's a carbine, not a competition sniper rifle. But that's just me ^^

 

[madeintheuk]

I think Brian from EdgunWest said it best... the trigger on the L2 is a combat trigger. I personally like it. It feels very different from my other PCPs, which creates a nice contrast. And it's my favourite gun to use for mid-range plinking.

Not saying there's no room for improvement at all, but it seems some people want the L2 to be something it's not. It's a carbine, not a competition sniper rifle. But that's just me ^^

There is no place in the airgun community for a “combat airgun” and I’m not looking for it to be a competition sniper rifle either. I have other guns for those duties. The leshiy 2 is my Edc gun that I use for small game inside of 75yds. It does it well, but again, I KNOW the accuracy would improve with an improved trigger. I’ve had quite a few years trying to perfect my trigger game, but I will still pull shots when I shouldn’t.

 

[dv8eod]

There is no place in YOUR airgun community for a “combat airgun” and I’m not looking for it to be a competition sniper rifle either.

Felt I needed to correct that for you as I'm sure you didn't mean to make such a broad statement that would cause the thread to turn into another flame up.
Everyone has their opinions and the ability to choose what they like or not. We've heard your's, respect other's.

 

[Gr8Recreation]

Everyone has their own preferences. I enjoy decent quality, reasonably priced, pcps like the AVA. However, the Leshiys are compact, rugged, and are well engineered performers. Given a comparatively low production volume, not terribly overpriced, too. Let’s not forget that always chasing the lowest price isn’t what it’s cracked up to be. That said, I’d rather save and own fewer high quality items than those that are mass produced.