Laser Bore Sighters

Hello Everyone,

I was wondering if anyone has ever used one of these things on an air rifle? Aside from the coolness factor, and making it easy to get your gun and scope sighted in, it seems like it would be a handy little tool for barrel indexing. I've never used one but the thought occurred to me when I saw these things in a catalog last night.

Glenn in Texas
 
My self, this what I have found by having one. it will get you on paper faster. I still go ten yards then 20yard and so on right up to what i want to be zeroed. Shooting with what i plan on using, slugs what size, or pellets. I got to the extreme probably, but watch how to mount a scope, level it and so on. YouTube, I like to be right on!!!!
 
I have owned a bunch of them. They are useful for powderburners, where every pull of the trigger is measured in dollars, not pennies, and a sore shoulder to boot. They are largely unnecessary for the short ranges and cheap ammo of airguns. Now a good collimeter is worth its weight in gold. If only someone would make one for airguns.

From an old article I saved:

I disagree with the negative comments.

A collimator is an excellent tool for checking the 'scope has not moved or failed between outings, after a knock, or after an unexplained miss.

After you have zeroed the rifle on paper at your preferred range, make a note of the position on the collimator grid. Then whenever you take the rifle out, do a quick check with the collimator.

If the 'scope is still showing the same position on the collimator grid then it is almost certain that the optical zero has not shifted.

But if possible you should still take a test shot, because other things can still shift the zero e.g. moderator on/off/loose, looser or tighter stock bolts, change of ammunition batch, temperature effect on powder etc. etc.

If however the collimator shows a different reading then either the scope has shifted, or the collimator has moved, or both. Most likely you have not inserted the collimator into the barrel correctly, or a bit of dirt has shifted the pin slightly. Check and retry. If its still out, you must test on a target.

The collimator is also a useful tool for many other reasons. Here are just a few:

Adjust scope to get first shot somewhere on paper. Easier than boresighting for small calibres, or when you can't squint up the bore, e.g. semiautos, air rifles etc. You may find boresight isn't quite the same as centre of grid, but once you know the offset its usually repeatable between rifles.
Find out limits of adjustment of turrets i.e. wind turrets until reticle stops moving against collimator grid and note position.
Test repeatability of adjustments by "boxing" the grid and checking return to zero.
Test for smoothness of adjustment of turrets, detect stickiness, or when tapping the turret after adjustment causes shifts, or when turret has to be first backed off, then wound back to be repeatable.
Test for moving zero when altering zoom or parallax.
Test for moving zero when temperature changes e.g. indoors versus outdoors.
Find zoom setting when mildots are true against grid.
Check calibration of turret scales is true.
Centralise scope in adjustable mounts. Find limits of turret adjustment then set to halfway point. Then adjust mounts to bring zero back to the right position on the grid.
Set up vertical mount adjustment to maximise turret elevation adjustment for long range shooting. Same as above, but set vertical turret so it is nearly at lowest point at close range zero.
Check return to zero when using scopes in take-off mounts, and/or switch barrel rifles.
Swap scopes around several rifles and minimise time/ammo to re-zero by noting collimator grid settings for each rifle.
AFAIK most collimators seem to be the same design, and look as if they come from the same factory, varying only in price, not quality. £40 will buy one. Be aware some large diameter scopes in high mounts don't line up very well with the collimator and can make it difficult to see the grid, but I've always managed to use it.

I've also tried laser boresighters that fit in the breech and in the muzzle, and neither seemed of any practical use to me, whereas the optical collimator gives a repeatable quantitative measurement IME.
 
I have had some experience with them.... Not own one.

What I have seen is that laser bore can be useful when you are mounting a new scope to a fire rifle.

It will help you to "center the reticle". Nevertheless you will then need to zero the rifle at 25 yards, then to 100 yards and then to make a fine tunning at the distance you want your rifle zeroed.

YOU SHOULD NOT get confident that your rifle is dully zeroed just with the laser bore. It will not, and you can easily hit at long distance in a diverse zip code.
 
havent seen one but theyre not that accurate anyway, nor do they speed sighting a gun in ... kinda cool, maybe ...

WRONG !

If you know how to use them (instructions ?), they work great.

BUT...with todays guns, and todays sights (red dot) and maybe todays scopes (only done three actual scopes), I've found that in many cases, they are very close outta the box. A few clicks up or down, a few clicks right or left, and you're there. I've found most are accurate enough at least to hit paper after just attaching then to the gun. This is normally at about 12 to 15 yrds. Then, you walk back to your given distance and reacquire the target.

I've tried two different style bore sighters. Both work well...when they work. I've not had good luck with the ones that actually go into the barrel, and center with the plastic parts. They (the laser) seem to die an early death. But as long as the laser lights up, I've found them to be plenty accurate, just a coupla clicks away.

The one that's lasted me the longest, is one that has a magnet that attaches itself to the end of the barrel (yeah, gotta remove the suppressor). It's got a spring loaded centering cone for the...centering. I always rotate it 180° during the process to verify it's accuracy. Again, this has been within just a coupla clicks away from centered.

Timewise, normally within 5 or 6 minutes to get close, then another 2 or 3 shots for the final bullseye acquisition.

I don't understand the difficulty in using them !

Mike
 
Great input guys, thanks. The more I think about it, the more I believe it would be really useful for indexing a new airgun barrel. Not that it wouldn't be good for the FX guys who index their liners but for the fellas who install completely different barrels on their airguns. I've done it on 3 rifles. Once with an LW barrel blank and the other 2 times with FX liners built up to full diameter with either carbon fiber or metal tubing in epoxy. All 3 of these swaps required cutting the transfer port BEFORE the barrel was installed in the action for sight in. As luck would have it, all of them worked really well but it would have been nice to test in the action beforehand. Once you machine the TP you're sorta stuck with it. :)

Thanks Again,

Glenn in Texas
 
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I mount at least one of these cheap things to all my guns because I change scopes sometimes 3 and 4 times a single sitting 😅.

I aim the dot at my zero or reference to it at my shooting distance just before I go to the next scope. I then aim my next scope zero at the same dot at the same distance. 

Using the lazer red dot on a new gun and scope makes it easier to find your zero as you have a reference point for your zero it also let's you know if you moved the turrets in the right direction or not. 



Allen
 
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I have one it comes in the form of a 223 cartridge, in my case, and I use it to make sure I am on paper at 50+ yards before I start sighting in. Saves me money that way as I pay $1 apiece for the bullets my gun likes. I have reloading equipment but have not started using it as yet cuz I shoot my airguns so much.

Three scopes on the gun so far and only a couple-three shots needed on the sight in on each.

To be honest I am not sure I really even needed the bore sighter. But I have it so use it.

As has been said with the ammo cost on an airgun the laser sighters would mostly be a waste of money. 

Myself I just start sighting in at ten meters and werq my way out.
 
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I mount at least one of these cheap things to all my guns because I change scopes sometimes 3 and 4 times a single sitting
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I aim the dot at my zero or reference to it at my shooting distance just before I go to the next scope. I then aim my next scope zero at the same dot at the same distance. 

Using the lazer red dot on a new gun and scope makes it easier to find your zero as you have a reference point for your zero it also let's you know if you moved the turrets in the right direction or not. 



Allen

This is great idea. I’ve been swapping scopes around a lot on my air guns. Thanks for the tip 

Back to the OPs subject. I’ve never felt a need for a laser bore sighter. Even when I was into powder burners. For air rifles. I can shoot 10 yards in my basement. I zero the windage. Then set the elevation to the distance of the center of the scope to the center of the bore. 
Example: if the center of the scope to center of the barrel is 1 1/2” . I’ll set up the scope to shoot an 1 1/2” low. 
After that I’ll move outside to shoot on paper for fine tuning. 
 
A laser bore sighter can get you on paper quicker. Another use for it is scope alignment with the bore. Zero the bore-sighter on the vertical crosshair. Then view the dot location at various distances. The vertical crosshair should stay on the dot at all distances. If it does not, it means that the scope needs to be rotated in the rings. There are other methods for scope alignment, but the bore sight method works well.