Labradar at Midway for $625 in stock

[JungleShooter]

Just a happy note for those who've been trying to buy a Labradar:
Midway has them in stock.
$ 625

Matthias

(One day, I will be able to buy one, too. )

Link:
https://www.midwayusa.com/labradar/b?bid=1080407

 

[qball]

LabRadar Lite Ballistic Velocity Doppler Radar Chronograph: Airguns of Arizona

AOA has it for $559, but out of stock so no sure it would work.

 

[bigHUN]

I was looking into Labradar last year, researched a little longer online, and most of the reviews were pretty mixed up. Especially the reading on second mic downrange is a big hit and miss. Also couple of my guys in the gunclub have these orange units, theire comments were not really convincing.
Decided keeping my FX radar, I could not justify a 3x price jump - to start with, plus the upgrades.
I got myself a weathermeter and combining all of these in StrelokPro.

 

[JungleShooter]

Wohoooh! $559 ➔ Now, what am I going to do.... what a temptation....

Thanks for the assist. Excellent!
Matthias

 

[qball]

Labradar is really made with powder burner in mind, for most airgun applications FX is far more convenient.

 

[JungleShooter]

Labradar is really made with powder burner in mind, for most airgun applications FX is far more convenient.

Well, to measure muzzle velocity only, sure.

However, if you want to study the ballistic coefficients the FX chrony is not measuring velocity down range, is it?
Or has anybody tried to place an FX chrony at 50y to measure how much the projectile slowed down? ➔ That would be very interesting!
My FX chrony will hit Peru's shores next month, courtesy of Papa Noel, the hispanic Santa Clause — so, yeah, I'd love to use the FX to measure BC!

Matthias

 

[athlon_oved]

if you get the muzzle speed, BC of the projectile and weight you can get speed at various distances. You don't need anything else. the only thing that's going to change that is wind or density of the air in which case a chrony under 1k is not going to be that accurate anyways. not to mention it only does it up to 100 yards. You will be so close doing the math that you are going to be in margin of error using the lab radar anyway. You can literally purchase 4 FX chronys for the price of the Lab Radar after you get it and everything you need. I love my fx chrony and Strelok Pro ftw.

 

[bigHUN]

...if you want to study the ballistic coefficients the FX chrony is not measuring velocity down range, is it?

What ??? You need one more hobby?
StrelokPro will give you the numbers anyway.
What I can really friendly suggest the WeatherMeter (windmeter).
I got two of these, first I got the blue meter because the brown was out-of-stock.
And I could not make it work with my droid tablet (Samsung tablet A) because not many tablets have internal magnetometer=compass. Only cellphones have at least most of them, but for my application I am using tablet only at my BR.
So I was complaining to the WeatherMeter, and they sent me the brown unit that has internal compass, this what I am using now. The blue meter sitting in the original box, if you interested I can send it to you.
Just saying, I see you like toys as well

 

[qball]

Well, to measure muzzle velocity only, sure.

However, if you want to study the ballistic coefficients the FX chrony is not measuring velocity down range, is it?
Or has anybody tried to place an FX chrony at 50y to measure how much the projectile slowed down? ➔ That would be very interesting!
My FX chrony will hit Peru's shores next month, courtesy of Papa Noel, the hispanic Santa Clause — so, yeah, I'd love to use the FX to measure BC!

Matthias

You really don’t "NEED" 2 chrono or Labrador. All you need is muzzle velocity, zero at say 20 meter and enter all information into ballistic calculator like strelok. Then shoot at 50 meter and 100 meter with out hold over and measure the drop and you will have accurate BC. Personally I found NSA/Strelok published BC extremely accurate, I just need to put in ALL the correct information. Garbage in, garbage out. Pellets are slightly different and strelok's build in BC numbers for popular pellets are also very very accurate, hard part for most people is getting accurate input information and to be fair it's a lot and not that easy. However, once you learned and be proficient at the system the 12 dollar strelok is dead nuts on.

like @bigHUN said, you need to work on environmental or more accurate input information for strelok or applied ballistics more than anything else. Although the newer Sig Applied ballistic range finders will populate more of the information for you but still not all......and cost 1600 dollars and up.

 

[JungleShooter]

if you get the muzzle speed, BC of the projectile and weight you can get speed at various distances.
You don't need anything else. The only thing that's going to change that is wind or density of the air.

Scott,

After having read some less than glowing user reports on the FX chrony I'm glad you're so wholeheartedly endorsing it. Instead of giving my buyer's remorse you're providing me with a pleasant dose of post-purchase confirmation bias.

Like you, I am also a committed Strelok Pro user. (I hope the developer doesn't read this post, but if Igor decided to go from a $12 one-time fee to a subscription model of $60 per year — I would probably pay it without missing a beat.)


Now, about not needing to measure BC and wind/pressure being the only things changing... — I have been lead to believe the issue is a bit more complex.
Bob Sterne and pro ballistician Miles Morris over on GTA and HardAir Magazine explained that the drag model we have been using so far — the GA model — is far from reality.
Because of that BC changes.

Below is a BC test Bob did whith JSB domes in .22cal — showing how screwily different the BC is depending on the velocity....
This has huge ramifications for wind drift and pellet drop when shooting the same pellet with a 12FPE pistol or a 40FPE rifle. Which I happen to do.

Matthias

 

[JungleShooter]

What ??? You need one more hobby?

What I can really friendly suggest the WeatherMeter (windmeter).

The blue meter sitting in the original box, if you interested I can send it to you.
Just saying, I see you like toys as well.

No, Attila, what made you get the outlandish idea of me liking toys...?! That's absurd. Totally.


Oh, by the way, Attila, did I tell you about my new scopecam? It films at 240fr/s and will take awesome slo-mo pics.
I also ordered this new cool elevation adjustable mount, that also can adjust for windage? And it even has about 2" of cantilever. And that's not all: It also has quick detach levers. It's pretty sweet!!



And on a more serious note, yes, you're right — I do need to learn to read the wind better.
Like you, I bought the cheapest option of an anemometer that can be connected to Strelok Pro — yupp, it's the blue WeatherMeter.
Like yours, it's in its box....

Reason: Since it's mostly for hunting, I want to read the wind quickly, and then get on with stalking/ shooting.
So, WeatherMeter's whole routine of opening an app on my cell and monkeying around didn't do it for me. I wanted to just push a button a read the wind velocity — in order to learn what a 3mph wind feels on my face, or how grass looks in a 5mps wind, just while walking around.

➔ I opted for the next cheaper option:
I bought a used Kestrel, one of the more basic models. I made up my mind how much I was willing to pay max., turned on notification on Ebay, bid on a few, and after a year I had one for the price of a brown WeatherMeter.
I don't like toys. That's my story. And I'm sticking to it.


Matthias


PS: Attila, it is very kind of you to offer your WeatherMeter to me. Thank you!!

 

[JungleShooter]

Then shoot at 50 meter and 100 meter with out hold over and measure the drop and you will have accurate BC. Personally I found NSA/Strelok published BC extremely accurate.

Qball,

if school grades could spread darkness — then the part of my report card that carried my math grade usually was in the shade, or the sun had set on that part of the report card....

So, I'm not yet prepared to argue that using the projectile drop is a bad method to measure BC, because it allows way too many errors to creep in, and the math gets screwed up.
I am simply repeating this because I heard this from people who could have easily been both my shooting instructors and my math teachers....


However, there is one detail I can explain: We usually assume that the barrel oscillates up and down while the projectile rushes down the barrel — and if my muzzle velocity has the barrel whip up right at the moment the projectile exits — well, then my POI will be high — and I will falsely assume a higher BC than is true. And vice versa.


Matthias

PS:
Well, the thread has been so derailed, it doesn't really matter anymore, right! I sure don't mind.

 

[JungleShooter]

You really don’t "NEED" 2 chrono or Labradar. All you need is muzzle velocity, zero at say 20 meter and enter all information into ballistic calculator like strelok.

Yeah, Qball,
with standard domes the Strelok info and the BC data I gathered from other published sources is quite good.

But, like bigHUN said, I need another hobby. And that would be this — bear with me as I explain the esotheric:

(1) Hollow point pellets are supposed to expand in order to do more damage to the quarry ("Big Holes are Better!")

(2) They only expand at certain minimum impact velocities.

(3) HP pellet aerodynamics were not the goal of our AG Forefathers who gave us the GA drag curve for our ballistic coefficients — domed pellets were.
I can't even find the BC of most HP pellets....

(4) HP pellets need to be shot fast — and that will wreak havoc with their BC, it changes fast.

(5) I would like accurate BC data to calculate what the max. range is for a certain HP pellets to still expand when impacting quarry. Which will vary greatly with the muzzle velocity.


➔ So, for this esotheric venture, I'd like to do BC tests using either a Labradar (or an array of 3 chronies).
If I could set up 3 FX chronies (at 1y, 15y, and 35y), to get three velocities of the same HP pellet simultaneously — that would be golden!

Matthias

 

[athlon_oved]

What ??? You need one more hobby?
StrelokPro will give you the numbers anyway.
What I can really friendly suggest the WeatherMeter (windmeter).
I got two of these, first I got the blue meter because the brown was out-of-stock.
And I could not make it work with my droid tablet (Samsung tablet A) because not many tablets have internal magnetometer=compass. Only cellphones have at least most of them, but for my application I am using tablet only at my BR.
So I was complaining to the WeatherMeter, and they sent me the brown unit that has internal compass, this what I am using now. The blue meter sitting in the original box, if you interested I can send it to you.
Just saying, I see you like toys as well

Strelok is

Scott,

After having read some less than glowing user reports on the FX chrony I'm glad you're so wholeheartedly endorsing it. Instead of giving my buyer's remorse you're providing me with a pleasant dose of post-purchase confirmation bias.

Like you, I am also a committed Strelok Pro user. (I hope the developer doesn't read this post, but if Igor decided to go from a $12 one-time fee to a subscription model of $60 per year — I would probably pay it without missing a beat.)


Now, about not needing to measure BC and wind/pressure being the only things changing... — I have been lead to believe the issue is a bit more complex.
Bob Sterne and pro ballistician Miles Morris over on GTA and HardAir Magazine explained that the drag model we have been using so far — the GA model — is far from reality.
Because of that BC changes.

Below is a BC test Bob did whith JSB domes in .22cal — showing how screwily different the BC is depending on the velocity....
This has huge ramifications for wind drift and pellet drop when shooting the same pellet with a 12FPE pistol or a 40FPE rifle. Which I happen to do.

Mat

Scott,

After having read some less than glowing user reports on the FX chrony I'm glad you're so wholeheartedly endorsing it. Instead of giving my buyer's remorse you're providing me with a pleasant dose of post-purchase confirmation bias.

Like you, I am also a committed Strelok Pro user. (I hope the developer doesn't read this post, but if Igor decided to go from a $12 one-time fee to a subscription model of $60 per year — I would probably pay it without missing a beat.)


Now, about not needing to measure BC and wind/pressure being the only things changing... — I have been lead to believe the issue is a bit more complex.
Bob Sterne and pro ballistician Miles Morris over on GTA and HardAir Magazine explained that the drag model we have been using so far — the GA model — is far from reality.
Because of that BC changes.

Below is a BC test Bob did whith JSB domes in .22cal — showing how screwily different the BC is depending on the velocity....
This has huge ramifications for wind drift and pellet drop when shooting the same pellet with a 12FPE pistol or a 40FPE rifle. Which I happen to do.

Matthias


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I will say it clearer. I believe that h FX Pocket Chronograph is the best and easiest for airgunning.

I can post picture as well

 

[bigHUN]

...my new scopecam? It films at 240fr/s and will take awesome slo-mo pics.
...elevation adjustable mount, that also can adjust for windage? And it even has about 2" of cantilever. And that's not all: It also has quick detach levers.
...
it's mostly for hunting....

I am shooting in my gun club only, I don't hunt. Also at my place the gun regulations are very strict, I never tried to walk around in a Field with an open gun ready to shoot. Also silencers are prohibited.
What camera you got? At my 62 I am still active outdoors and for me the gopro style would be a best camera and if I could mount it to a scope that is a bonus.
Show us some pictures, camera and the adjustable mount?

 

[JungleShooter]

Attila,

I'm sorry to hear how restrictive Canada is about BB guns....
Of course, my home country is much much worse.... Max. power for airuns is limited to 6FPE (in words, SIX foot-pounds).
And to get a gun license is about 10 (TEN) times as hard as in America....


You were asking about my cameras.

(1) Hawkeye Firefly 8SE
• 4K at up to 30fr/s
• 2.7K at up to 60fr/s
• 1080P FHD at up to 120fr/s
• 720P HD at up to 240fr/s ➔ For the slo-mo magic!

Here's a review and more specs:

Firefly 8SE Review (2020) | Firefly's 8S Action Camera Improved

The Firefly 8SE is a GoPro alternative from the brand of Firefly with an affordable price and decent video quality, lets you take photos up to 16MP with 4K

myactionreviews.com

Photo below. I haven't used it yet, waiting for the scope adapter....


(2) Tactacam 5.0
• 4K at up to 30fr/s
• 1080P at up to 120fr/s
• 720P at up to 240fr/s ➔ Slo-mo party!

Photo below....

Matthias

 

[bigHUN]

Thanks Matthias
I have my gun licenses, and my club is just 15 minutes from my house (15 Km at my place is really peanuts, when I was working the dayly drive 50Km door to door was really a normal distance).
I live just around a corner from countryside, five minutes walk, but all commercial farming around here, and no airgun plinking ... I don't want to get cut in front of a Court for lead poisoning.
There are also big forests where I gravel bike, but when I bike - I bike, not bringing airguns with me.
But there is my gunclub, yes costs big money but the setup is nice ( a big members owned club, one of the biggest in NorthAmerica probably and also maybe the most expensive as well).
I will take a closer look into this FireFly, I play rough outdoor games in all weather, I need to see how these can survive

 

[Healthservices]

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Well, to measure muzzle velocity only, sure.

However, if you want to study the ballistic coefficients the FX chrony is not measuring velocity down range, is it?
Or has anybody tried to place an FX chrony at 50y to measure how much the projectile slowed down? ➔ That would be very interesting!
My FX chrony will hit Peru's shores next month, courtesy of Papa Noel, the hispanic Santa Clause — so, yeah, I'd love to use the FX to measure BC!

Matthias

I have put the fx chronograph at about 30 yards and a couple yards from my target and it does work just make sure to use airgun UK power otherwise you see nothing as the pellets speeds do slow down a fair amount.

Allen

 

[JungleShooter]

I have put the fx chronograph at about 30 yards and a couple yards from my target and it does work just make sure to use airgun UK power otherwise you see nothing as the pellets speeds do slow down a fair amount.

Allen

Woooah, that's sounds really good, Allen.

So, I just want to make sure I understood you correctly:

Target = 30y
FX chrony = 28y

The velocity measured on the chrony is the velocity at 28y.

Muzzle energy at least 12FPE.


➔ ¿Is that all correct?

That would be amazing, that the FX chrony not only works at the muzzle, but anywhere in between!!

Matthias

 

[Healthservices]

Yes, I believe when I did this I was using my uragan compact. I do not remember what pellet I was using but initially it did not work. But then I was thinking what if the pellet was slower than I thought it would be at that distance. I set it up to record lower speeds and got something like 580fps.
I put a brick behind the fx chronograph and my phone far enough to the right so it would not get hit. A couple days later I got my labradar and started playing with that instead. But I still use the fx more for everyday use, since it is so easy to setup.

Allen