yea, im already weighing options in the pcp game! I want smaller groups! haha. my 22 lr's and 5.56's say i can do it, but these break barrels are not digging it so much! Naw they aint to bad really after some reading and massaging em a bit. I got a 22 cal benjamin I can hit a thumb tack at 65 to 70 yards about every other shot or so with the crosman pellets. wanting to try more, just not real sure what to get? And i can hit a beer can at 140 just about all day long with no wind. got a gamo.177 that does about the same. I have always shot alot, just moved close to town and had to put the big guns up. So i got these and really liking it so far...