Is .22 too small of a hunting caliber?

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My point being that a springer air rifle is NOT a good choice for Deer.

For Sure the Right air rifle can take about any size game in the right hands......

To use the u tube BS is wrong because a fool might think it is ok to use a springer.....

I do not care who say what,,when a person gives bad advice it is still bad advice.

I got nothing against anybody,what I have a problem with is Bad advice.

You need to rethink what you are doing.

Another point I was am to make it is Bad Press....Bad Press .

You are not helping the cause of using air rifles for shooting game animals when you use that video.

I said 3 of those airguns can get the job done....remember the right tool for the job....

So yes the right air gun can take about any game and has taken very large animals and with one shoot kills

Nothing against you,I was attacking the notion..and will always attack the notion.

My view is the bigger picture of non hunters,non air gunners hunters grasping a hold of this Bad press and expanding it in order to prevent hunting in general and air gun hunting in particular.....

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My point being that a springer air rifle is NOT a good choice for Deer.

For Sure the Right air rifle can take about any size game in the right hands......

To use the u tube BS is wrong because a fool might think it is ok to use a springer.....

I do not care who say what,,when a person gives bad advice it is still bad advice. I got nothing against anybody,what I have a problem with is Bad advice. You need to rethink what you are doing.

Another point I was am to make it is Bad Press....Bad Press . You are not helping the cause of using air rifles for shooting game animals when you use that video.

I said 3 of those airguns can get the job done....remember the right tool for the job....So yes the right air gun can take about any game and has taken very large animals and with one shoot kills

Nothing against you,I was attacking the notion..and will always attack the notion.

My view is the bigger picture of non hunters,non air gunners hunters grasping a hold of this Bad press and expanding it in order to prevent hunting in general and air gun hunting in particular.....

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These sentences ... I do not care who say what,,when a person gives bad advice it is still bad advice. I got nothing against anybody,what I have a problem with is Bad advice. You need to rethink what you are doing. ...

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Another point I was am to make it is Bad Press....Bad Press . You are not helping the cause of using air rifles for shooting game animals when you use that video.

Are contradicted by this sentence... Nothing against you,I was attacking the notion..and will always attack the notion.

Of course you are attacking me. You are attacking me for what you see as me giving bad advice and/or rethinking what I am doing .... because of BAD PRESS? Seriously? That's your argument? There has always been bad press and always will be bad press from the MSM which has always been anti-gun and always will be anti-gun. It's what they do being FAKE NEWS to begin w/.

Quote: "To use the u tube BS is wrong because a fool might think it is ok to use a springer...."

ORLY? What part of using a .30 springer in AFRICA to bag deer sized game, are you not understanding? So, according to your ... um,...(ahem)... 'logic'... people making vids of hunting in AFRICA w/ Hatsan .30 springers causes BAD PRESS here in America? Hilarious.

Oh and btw? For a person who claims they're 'sick of BS', you're apparently not so sick of it.that you're above spewing it yourself.

Your guilt trip isn't going to work and you're wasting your time doing it. On me or anyone else other than perhaps WillM . Maybe the two of you should collaborate together on a separate anti-hunting thread? I'm sure it will be entertaining to read.
 
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boscoebrea and WillM ,,, here's a vid the two of you might appreciate.

Air Rifle Penetration testing Deer skulls Benjamin NP2 .22 & Hatsan Vortex .25 gas pistons

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjEQ27_uFC8

Destructive testing deer skulls with Benjamin Summit NitroPiston 2 in .22 and Hatsan 125 Sniper in .25 with Vortex piston at 25 yards. I should have 2 more heads to test in late winter look for the video.

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I have a Crosman NP2 Summit Ranger in .22 myself. It's a superlative springer out to 50 yards w/ 16 gr AA domes. It might be useful out to 75 yards using 14.3 pellets. It's nice to know its capable of shooting pellets penetrating a deer's skull and scrambling its brain at 25 yards.
 
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Always try to aim for the exit hole.
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This is what we were taught in Bowhunter Ed..visualize where the exit hole will be..adjust your aim accordingly.

.22 is more than enough for squirrels with proper shot placement. and keeping the range within the distance you can make the shot.



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That video shows a solid brain shot, not sure why all the talk about accuracy. Pellet went were it should go. They just jump around from brain shots.

I have a 18 fpe 22, a Prod (tuned up a little) and a 50 fpe 25 Avenger. The last 7 Prod squirrels were clean 1 shot kills. The squirrels collapsed at the shot. Some were brain shots, some shots went through the neck. A couple went through the front half of the body. I use only domed pellets. I want an entrance and exit wound and I believe a 22 caliber or bigger hole is sufficient.

My Avenger has only killed one squirrel so far and it took two shots. The problem was with me, not the gun. The scope was set to 14X and the parallax was set to 50 yards and the shot was closer to 20. The bigger issue is I thought the gun would shoot a little high at this distance (it is sighted for 37 yards or a bit more) and in reality it shoots pretty much dead on at a little under 20 yards. So I shot the squirrel lower than I intended. First shot crushed the front shoulder but deflected a bit low through the body coming out the abdomen. It couldn't climb and couldn't really run but was still trying. The second hit the same shoulder but went out the throat clipping the spine. So it did the brain shot dance, briefly.

I will not repeat my mistakes with the Avenger but I'm telling this story to make the point that a bigger caliber with over twice the fpe did not make up for worse shot placement. I shot my Prod at the stock settings or close to it on the first half dozen squirrels. I lost a couple that I believe were hit pretty solid. So I turned the power up and have had much better results. I want enough power to shoot through the animal or I need to take a brain shot - those are my principals.

When I miss the brain, I most often get the neck which has worked very well for me. I hit the jaw once and that squirrel needed a follow up. But the pellet continued into the body of the squirrel and would probably have killed it. I've hit some in the body but I try for the brain. It's easier to clean them without holes in the body and I think it is the most reliable kill shot. I will also mention again that I hit one with a 50 fpe 25 in the shoulder and the pellet didn't go straight through the squirrel so the vitals were clipped rather than smashed. Even a squirrel shoulder can deflect the path of a pellet. But if you hit the brain the squirrel will not run off. It will thrash around a bit but it did not suffer and it is for sure dead.

While I see no need to question the accuracy of the OP I will mention I do not shoot off-hand unless I absolutely have to. Most of my squirrels killed in the backyard have been taken with my forestock supported by a post of my back porch (and my hand). A couple were killed from the bench because it was handy. In the woods, I look for a tree or something to support me. I would definitely not take a long shot unsupported. Gun moves too much and there is too much risk of bad shot placement. Sometimes I use shooting sticks.
 
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For some reason I can't view the video. From the comment, I will say a living skull and a dried skull are not the same media. Add skin, connective tissue, and muscle, and this seems rather fool hearty for a 22 springer or nitro piston. 

I own a Benjamin nitro piston rifle in 22, and it is a great gun. No way I would attempt a deer with it, unless I was very hungry.

I see a lot of overconfident people in these forums. Maybe they get away with it, maybe they don't. Air is along the lines of traditional black powder, and archery. Adequate, given the right equipment and loose nut on the stock, but limited.
 
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For some reason I can't view the video. From the comment, I will say a living skull and a dried skull are not the same media. Add skin, connective tissue, and muscle, and this seems rather fool hearty for a 22 springer or nitro piston. 

I own a Benjamin nitro piston rifle in 22, and it is a great gun. No way I would attempt a deer with it, unless I was very hungry.

I see a lot of overconfident people in these forums. Maybe they get away with it, maybe they don't. Air is along the lines of traditional black powder, and archery. Adequate, given the right equipment and loose nut on the stock, but limited.
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How exactly did you get the impression from this comment ... "Destructive testing deer skulls with Benjamin Summit NitroPiston 2 in .22 and Hatsan 125 Sniper in .25 with Vortex piston at 25 yards. I should have 2 more heads to test in late winter look for the video" ... that the heads were dried?

Those heads were so fresh they were GOOEY !

My advice? Next time watch the vid before trying a strawman argument on for size, m'kay?

It's a pity you lack confidence in yourself and your ability to kill large critters w/ your NP. I'm not overconfident w/ my NP2: (which has about a 50 fps advantage over yours, I might add); but, thanks to that vid, I now know it can kill a deer at 25 yards.
 
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For rabbits and squirrels, no - though a large rabbit may need to be a head shot. Bigger animals, maybe, though you will see the occasional video of someone killing a hog with a .177. Mine usually knocks out squirrels with a body shot just fine. I have had one rabbit that didn't drop immediately because the head shot was not just right. I even took a small piglet with a head shot. But I also had a big ol' possum under my house that I could only get a body shot on. I hit him right in the boiler room. He died, but not before disappearing only to be found later up in my insulation when he stunk up the whole house.
 
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Longfellow

Do us all a favor video your deer kills. If you could find someone with a M.L.D. you could kill lots of them. Be sure to use your hopped up np2 so you can show all those who think you cant. Good luck please hurry! Cant wait!!!!
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M.L.D. - http://texaswildlifemanagement.com/MLD%20Permits.htm

Interesting idea.

You can't wait? Deer season in accordance w/ MLD isn't until September 30th. Are you suggesting I ... POACH ... an out of season deer to satisfy you and others? Not happening.

I believe you are misunderstanding my post. I said, ... thanks to the vid I posted I now know my NP2 is capable of killing a deer at 25 yards. Not that I had any intention of doing so. Were I to use a springer on a deer, it would be a .30 Hatsan 130 or a 135 using Jsb 45 gr or especially the Jsb 50 gr pellets. ( I do kinda like those 130's.)

Watch this vid: Or, FF to 5:05 for the length of penetration at 25 yards of the 45 gr (11.25 inches) or FF to 7:06 for the length of penetration at 25 yards of the 50 gr pellet (12 inches).

Hatsan Carnivore 135 QE .30 - FULL REVIEW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8f5GeApxPQc

Then too, there is the fpe factor. While my NP2 is a 20+ fpe springer depending on the pellet used, the Hatsan ,30 is closer to 30 fpe. Thus, my NP2 has about 67% of the fpe of the Hatsan .30.

Btw? While my Crosman NP2 is a superlative springer that is capable of 800+ fps w/ 14.3 Benjamin HP, that velocity is the same as any .22 Hatsan 95 Vortex QE. Good, but not particularly 'hopped up'.
 
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For some reason I can't view the video. From the comment, I will say a living skull and a dried skull are not the same media. Add skin, connective tissue, and muscle, and this seems rather fool hearty for a 22 springer or nitro piston. 

I own a Benjamin nitro piston rifle in 22, and it is a great gun. No way I would attempt a deer with it, unless I was very hungry.

I see a lot of overconfident people in these forums. Maybe they get away with it, maybe they don't. Air is along the lines of traditional black powder, and archery. Adequate, given the right equipment and loose nut on the stock, but limited.
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How exactly did you get the impression from this comment ... "Destructive testing deer skulls with Benjamin Summit NitroPiston 2 in .22 and Hatsan 125 Sniper in .25 with Vortex piston at 25 yards. I should have 2 more heads to test in late winter look for the video" ... that the heads were dried?

Those heads were so fresh they were GOOEY !

My advice? Next time watch the vid before trying a strawman argument on for size, m'kay?

It's a pity you lack confidence in yourself and your ability to kill large critters w/ your NP. I'm not overconfident w/ my NP2: (which has about a 50 fps advantage over yours, I might add); but, thanks to that vid, I now know it can kill a deer at 25 yards.
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You sure seem tense over this. Your advice is about as irrelevant as your ability to read. Your statement implied dried skulls. The very first line said the video has AIDS.

Your "ability" is why many people don't like air gunners.

As always, consult your states game laws. Maybe, a biologist as well.

I'm out.
 
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For some reason I can't view the video. From the comment, I will say a living skull and a dried skull are not the same media. Add skin, connective tissue, and muscle, and this seems rather fool hearty for a 22 springer or nitro piston. 

I own a Benjamin nitro piston rifle in 22, and it is a great gun. No way I would attempt a deer with it, unless I was very hungry.

I see a lot of overconfident people in these forums. Maybe they get away with it, maybe they don't. Air is along the lines of traditional black powder, and archery. Adequate, given the right equipment and loose nut on the stock, but limited.
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How exactly did you get the impression from this comment ... "Destructive testing deer skulls with Benjamin Summit NitroPiston 2 in .22 and Hatsan 125 Sniper in .25 with Vortex piston at 25 yards. I should have 2 more heads to test in late winter look for the video" ... that the heads were dried?

Those heads were so fresh they were GOOEY !

My advice? Next time watch the vid before trying a strawman argument on for size, m'kay?

It's a pity you lack confidence in yourself and your ability to kill large critters w/ your NP. I'm not overconfident w/ my NP2: (which has about a 50 fps advantage over yours, I might add); but, thanks to that vid, I now know it can kill a deer at 25 yards.
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You sure seem tense over this. Your advice is about as irrelevant as your ability to read. Your statement implied dried skulls. The very first line said the video has AIDS.

Your "ability" is why many people don't like air gunners.

As always, consult your states game laws. Maybe, a biologist as well.

I'm out.
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Oh, I see. You have a reading / comprehension disorder. Heads = 'dried skulls' to you. That's dyslexia, isn't it? The condition where some people have a hard time understanding what certain words mean?

You're claiming ... "The very first line said the video has AIDS"?

Hmm ... looks like now you're seeing things that aren't there at all and never were. I believe those are called 'hallucinations'; which are supposed to be common to those who have schizophrenia.

I seem tense to you? *Smiles*

Over a you tube vid you're not allowed to watch? Not too hard to figure out you didn't watch the vid because its 'age restricted', eh ?

Why would I want to consult my states game laws or a biologist? Because you think people don't like airgunners because of an 'ability' you appear to lack ? 

With you the comedy practically writes itself. Please keep your observations coming.




 
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