If you’re into 100y 5 shot groups

[tommyb]

Sounds like a good idea Tommy. I always shoot at least 50 shots at 50 yards before I go to any further distance to check my zero since it can't really be done at 100 yards in any sort of breeze or wind. Shoot at 50 then go to 75, and if it feels good there, go to 100. 

Its easy to get discouraged, and as discussed on AGN the past year, it does involve some luck and patience to shoot a good score at 100 yards. One thing to remember is the higher scores you see, although damn fine shooting, were not shot in competition. If you look at the three major 100 yard Pellet tournaments shot in 2019, out of 500 or more attempts, NO ONE shot better than 225. Even the winners. In fact, if someone offered me a 230 at each of the three big 100 yard events in 2021, I'd take them sight unseen, and probably win all three. Of course, I could be wrong, as I have been more than once - a lot more.

Thanks Mike

My wife and I are visiting and minding our two Grandkids at our daughter’s house. We just put the 2 1/2 year old and her 14 month old sister down for their afternoon naps. Guess where I am now.... They wore me out! 

Your post triggered something in my mind as I thought about my 100 yard EBR card range shooting. I normally always try and zero at 100 yards before I begin shooting a card. However, I forget that I almost always have some wind as I try and find my best 100 yard zero. Sort of like chasing a ghost as I thought about your post.

Wondering if I should try leaving my zero at 50 yards, and just use hold overs at 100 to shoot my cards. I never do this and maybe I should give it a try. 

Point taken on the difference between shooting some great scores by yourself vs. shooting against 50 others at a match. 

 

[thomasair]

Tommy....try this next time you shoot 100.

Dont worry about sighting in.

Watch your flags for a little bit and determine the dominant condition and note what your flags look like.

Go to a sighed bull and aim at the middle and wait for your flags to show the dominant condition and shoot. Continue this till you have shot 15 shots or so.

Observe the group that was made and note where you have to hold to place the center of the group on the center of the bull. If you didn’t form a group...you didn’t do well identifying your dominant condition. Practice that.

Shoot 1st bull with that hold when the dominant condition arrives. Keep doing that til the condition goes away. You can make micro adjustments as you go using the last shot to place the next.

The key is knowing when not to shoot. You have to be observant of the flags at all times and only shoot your dominant condition....especially if it is not immediately after your former shot. Even if it’s switchy...,there will still be a dominant condition.

This is simplified...but I bet you will shoot well if you follow the steps precisely.
If your condition disappears altogether....establish the new dominant condition and start over.

Left eye watches flags, and right eye in the scope.

Mike 

 

[tommyb]

Tommy....try this next time you shoot 100.

Dont worry about sighting in.

Watch your flags for a little bit and determine the dominant condition and note what your flags look like.

Go to a sighed bull and aim at the middle and wait for your flags to show the dominant condition and shoot. Continue this till you have shot 15 shots or so.

Observe the group that was made and note where you have to hold to place the center of the group on the center of the bull. If you didn’t form a group...you didn’t do well identifying your dominant condition. Practice that.

Shoot 1st bull with that hold when the dominant condition arrives. Keep doing that til the condition goes away. You can make micro adjustments as you go using the last shot to place the next.

The key is knowing when not to shoot. You have to be observant of the flags at all times and only shoot your dominant condition....especially if it is not immediately after your former shot. Even if it’s switchy...,there will still be a dominant condition.

This is simplified...but I bet you will shoot well if you follow the steps precisely.
If your condition disappears altogether....establish the new dominant condition and start over.

Left eye watches flags, and right eye in the scope.

Mike

Good advice Mike. I will follow step by step.

It’s worth giving it a good try. 

Thanks...

 

[Flintsack]

The part below is really important if you’re going to shoot Benchrest. After you’ve done it for a while you don’t even think about it. But that’s not how it feels at the beginning. Your flags have to be in the correct place just to the left of your site line, You need to be able to see them naturally when you’re looking through the scope with your right eye. It’s pretty cool when it starts working for you.


Left eye watches flags, and right eye in the scope.

I don’t try to site in my rifle every time I shoot at 100 yards. I site it in when it’s really calm in great conditions and I leave it. If the wind is really blowing steadily, with no switches. I may adjust my right to left a bit to get it closer to the bull’s-eye. Mostly I just leave it, and hold off.

Mike. 

 

[tommyb]

The part below is really important if you’re going to shoot Benchrest. After you’ve done it for a while you don’t even think about it. But that’s not how it feels at the beginning. Your flags have to be in the correct place just to the left of your site line, You need to be able to see them naturally when you’re looking through the scope with your right eye. It’s pretty cool when it starts working for you.


Left eye watches flags, and right eye in the scope.

I don’t try to site in my rifle every time I shoot at 100 yards. I site it in when it’s really calm in great conditions and I leave it. If the wind is really blowing steadily, with no switches. I may adjust my right to left a bit to get it closer to the bull’s-eye. Mostly I just leave it, and hold off.

Mike.

Guys, great tips and I’m going to work on this.

I shoot left handed so for me I guess that means I deploy the flags just to the right of my target line of sight. Left eye on scope, right eye peeking at flags. As an example, I normally deploy the flags about 1 or 2 yards to the right of my target line of sight. Is this correct?

Mike N - Just want to make sure I understand the terminology for “dominant condition.” When you say wait for the “dominant condition,” I take that to mean wait until I see the flag blow steadily in whatever is the primary and longer lasting wind direction, ( let’s use 9 am to 3 pm, 1-3 mph left to right as an example ) and then follow the process you described to me earlier. Correct? 

Tom 

 

[thomasair]

Ya...just the most often occurring condition.

Mike 

 

[Flintsack]

Second smallest five shot group I’ve ever shot with pellets at 100 yards, today. Shooting my new to me tuned Redwolf in 177.

shooting CP heavies at approximately 1127 ft./s.

this really shouldn’t be happening Batman. I didn’t expect it and I don’t get it.

I will admit the trigger on this rifle is better than any other rifle I’ve ever shot. Maybe I’ll add to that and call it the shot cycle.

there really has never been anything like this to play with before.

 

[XSUltimate]

Very nice shooting Flintsack, with a .177 no less!!!!! I wasn't aware your 22 RW got a little brother!!

Thx

Dan