Huben If you can only have one and cannot resell: Hubens K1 OR Daystate Delta Wolf?

[AlanMcD]

Yep, 1 adult child a 4 yr old and a 7yr old running around here. I keep them out of reach, but still take precautions. If the mag cannot come out, it needs to be empty. Plus at times if the huben was already loaded and bumped too much, jam. It sucked every time to clear a jam, so i quit on them. My most recent gk1 it was not an issue, but both of my lrevios K1s jammed too much for my liking.

Sorry to hear of your K1 jamming issues. All but one of my jams were my fault due to me trying to use undersized ammo. The one that wasn't was from a part wear-out failure that occurs after a very high shot count (15K rounds or so) - the return spring in the mag advancement mechamism can get weak ane need replacement. Easy enough to do once you know how to take the gun down for repairs.

The non-removable mag is no issue for me in my situation, and I'll admit to being a bit uncomfortable with the gun always being live when it was new. For the first six months or so I used to always shoot it to empty, and the reload 18 of the 19 slots and then rotate it to the empty one for storage - then when I wanted to shoot I'd advance the mag one slot and resume shooting with 18 shots on board. Of course my fear was an accidental discharge from a mechanical failure type of situation, not misuse, and once I truly learned how the gun fired and became confident that it would not discharge a pellet on it's own without an active trigger pull I started fully reloading and storing it that way with no issues. That said, I really wish it had a second "trigger safety" up by the trigger like the Sidewinder has - I don't like having to remove the gun from my shoulder to put it on safe back at the select fire switch (which of course it the only true way to put these on safe as that blocks the trigger internally in the action, not at the physical trigger, but the second safety would be nice to have).

 

[Ultralight]

A couple of other thoughts . . . . have you had a chance to shoulder and experience the trigger of either gun? I know in all my purchases I did them on blind faith and other's opinions as I did not have access to them. That is a bit nerve wracking in your situation (receiving a "planned gift" that you know will be so much more than just a gun, so you want to make sure it will be a "forever" gun for you). In all my purchases I knew that if it was not a satisfactory fit I could move on , but not so for you here. Any chance you could share your location so some of us could offer to meet up to let you at least shoulder (and maybe fire) each gun so that their are no surprises in the area of ergonomics? Maybe even a trip to a shop (or two) to try out both?

One other thought, and I kind of hate to mention it as I don't like to be someone who adds a third choice when somebody wants help with picking between two, but it has to do with the electronics on the DW and the complexity of the Huben. Since this is clearly going to be a "forever gun" for you, you might consider parts availability and potential service 25 or more years from now. Electronics can be very problematic over the long haul, as they have a short life of being offered in their "new" state and can be hard to replace many years on; so too with complex mechanical things that are very unique. That is one thing I do love about my Air Ranger ; access to o-rings should be all that is needed to keep it working almost forever (other things that could die like the valve poppet or springs are fairly easy to have made); my great grandkids could likely shoot it someday, and I don't even have grandkids yet. Of all my guns, it is the one that I most expect will still be working as well as it does now when I'm long gone. I would not be so sure of that with the Delta Wolf, and probably not even the Huben due to it's beautiful but extreme complexity (although spare parts are available for all wear items, and in a pinch in the distant future one could probably have a machinist/gunsmith make what would be needed, admittedly at great cost). Honestly, that is something that attracted me to the Black Wolf . . . it is good bit more coin, but almost certainly fits into this class too.

If I want to be certain of being able to shoot it in the very distant future, I'm not sure either would be my first choice, if that matters to you in this decision. As @Solo1 said, the Ghost could be a good option, but that Black Wolf would likely be what I would strongly consider as well. Good luck with your choice.

Special Thank You for your kind and considered response.

 

[Motorhead]

ANY or the Daystate "Wolfs" all day long, thrice on any sunday

 

[Solo1]

And all these mention of possible problems and other bs is why i said ghost straight forward highly adjustable and simply built and very solid and trouble free. You want 1 high end gun that will go the distance there you go

 

[Solo1]

@ Motorhead why do you laugh? Ghost is much more dependable than a alpha or delta wolf and shoots just as accurately.

 

[Motorhead]

@ Motorhead why do you laugh? Ghost is much more dependable than a alpha or delta wolf and shoots just as accurately.

Just laughing at the humor of your post. there you go
Personally the GHOST is a decent enough rig, just don't care for the small mags and side loading of them. Trigger needs a lot of love to get decent IMO. But a VERY capable rig no doubt about it.

 

[Ultralight]

Well....let me add a question on complexity.

NOT including the electronics, is the Delta Wolf significantly simpler for users to maintain (i.e. o-rings) than the K1? Is there noticeably fewer parts?

Thanks!

 

[Trucker3573]

@ Motorhead why do you laugh? Ghost is much more dependable than an alpha or delta wolf and shoots just as accurately.

The evidence of this claim ?? Electronics are pretty rock solid these days. Ghost after owning a DW I am sure is 100% great. My problem was used DW and used ghost sell for about the same price. Felt I got a lot more for my money in the DW.

 

[Trucker3573]

Well....let me add a question on complexity.

NOT including the electronics, is the Delta Wolf significantly simpler for users to maintain (i.e. o-rings) than the K1? Is there noticeably fewer parts?

Thanks!

Can’t comment on k1 but the reg and valve on the DW are both easily accessible.

 

[Ultralight]

The evidence of this claim ?? Electronics are pretty rock solid these days. Ghost after owning a DW I am sure is 100% great. My problem was used DW and used ghost sell for about the same price. Felt I got a lot more for my money in the DW.

Regarding electronics, my line of thought is that this is more of an issue with the company than the electronics. With a company like Daystate, I imagine that they will keep making the electronics decades from now. I saw someone post a 17 year old Daystate with electronic trigger and I believe the parts are still available.

Of course, I conjecture. Others know better than me what Daystate is like.

 

[Jammin22]

Huben K-1
In the past 20 years I have owned several air rifles. And I am settled on 4 Pcp rifles and one pistol. Two of the rifles are the Huben K-1 and the pistol GK1.
I am a hunter and I prefer semi autos.

 

[Solo1]

The evidence of this claim ?? Electronics are pretty rock solid these days. Ghost after owning a DW I am sure is 100% great. My problem was used DW and used ghost sell for about the same price. Felt I got a lot more for my money in the DW.

My way of looking at it is ive had 2 redwolves and sent 1 back to have the gcu ( computer) replaced and the other because i could barely keep pellets on a 81/2 x 11 sheet of paper @ 100. Ive seen many reports of problems with delta and alpha wolves if something goes wrong you have to send to aoa. The ghost on the other hand i got when they first came out and only have replaced 2 o rings there is nothing i can not repair myself and it only has 13 o rings ! Oh by the way I own 3 now!

 

[Trucker3573]

My way of looking at it is ive had 2 redwolves and sent 1 back to have the gcu ( computer) replaced and the other because i could barely keep pellets on a 81/2 x 11 sheet of paper @ 100. Ive seen many reports of problems with delta and alpha wolves if something goes wrong you have to send to aoa. The ghost on the other hand i got when they first came out and only have replaced 2 o rings there is nothing i can not repair myself and it only has 13 o rings ! Oh by the way I own 3 now!

Yeah they are for sure easy to work on. One of the big reasons I went with the wolf platform. All of the orings are pretty easy to replace. On the AW/DW I believe there is one underneath the trigger pressure sensor that does require messing with some delicate wires. Other than that same orings as the ghost as far as I know. Why I leaned that way over FX. You are definitely correct if problems occur with the electronic components I’m out and the gun will have to go back.

 

[beerthief]

I own neither . the problem with Electronics is ! the manufacture use suppliers and the supplier's use supplies from different sources and make the parts work .
SO you may have a board made from supplier #1 and the replacement part maybe from #2 supplier , your gun will shoot but maybe not as smooth or reliable .