My Air Arms s500 is such a nice gun. Beautiful and does what it is supposed to every time.
Really makes me lust for TX200.
Really makes me lust for TX200.
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if I may interject an observation about springers and pcps is this
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It's the grab and go factor that springers really excel at. As an example, an HW95 just has great balance and handling, accuracy and trigger pull are excellent, power is more than adequate for small game such as rabbits and most importantly you can just grab the rifle and a tin or two of pellets and shoot all day. Sure, you could tune a PCP to 16 fpe and get a couple hundred shots out of it, but ultimately you will need a tank, pump or compressor to recharge it and most PCP's that can match the HW95 in terms of balance and handling won't get 200 shots.
A gun like the Hatsan 95 can claim the same kind of grab and go convenience as the HW95, (and a lot less finesse), for a little over $100. There's no PCP that can match that.
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That thing will likely sell a few Airguns after they see what it can do.Im taking this to my old club, and the old rimfire competition that I used to be in the top 3 of for years, with the express intent of embarrassing some guys and getting air rifles an asterisk or banned from placing in the competitions.The optic might be all they ban tho. There's 1 springer that I've shot that could blur the lines and it was the single example of a benjamin npxl that I have gotten to spend time with. BTW, my goofy target deeper in the thread was shot with this slugger contraption.
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I have a personal preference for the side cockers, though they tend to be more substantial than a break barrel. But the weight makes the shot cycle feel better to me. But I agree. Kinda like someone who has no children giving advice about how to raise children.Your comment is irrelevant until you've owned an HW 30. In .20 cal.
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I've found that I can pretty much grab a PCP and a tin of pellets and be occupied for an hour or two between refills. But when I am hunting, I bring the gun and maybe 20 pellets. I generally have most, if not all of them when I get back. I understand the convenience of grab and go fun. I grew up on MSPs, and aside from making multiple strokes to build pressure for the next shot, it's the same idea - shoot all day or until you run out of ammo. But as an adult, I'm usually neglecting some responsibility or other if I shoot more than 100 shots in a day, so I am well within the "limited" shot count of a PCP. And at the end of the day, I am also deranged enough to be able to say charging any of my PCPs with a hand pump does not interfere with my shooting in the least.
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If you're anywhere close I'd let you borrow an HW30.I have a personal preference for the side cockers, though they tend to be more substantial than a break barrel. But the weight makes the shot cycle feel better to me. But I agree. Kinda like someone who has no children giving advice about how to raise children.
They are sweet Lil rifles.
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Very generous but I'm stuck in the NorthEast for now. Funny, though, as my wife is splitting her time between her elderly parents down in Louisiana. Her mom is in Covington.If you're anywhere close I'd let you borrow an HW30.
They are sweet Lil rifles.
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A close comparison......a (pcp) electric car vs. gas (springer); both are grab and go, but one with a 5-10 minute fill up any time, anywhere for 400 miles with another 5-10 minute fillup for another 400 miles and relatively low upkeep for 10-15 years up to 200k++ miles or buy a good 10 year old used one and repeat.... and the (pcp) electric...not worth mentioning as you know the answer.
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Notice how some of the PCP guys post rifles costing 2-3 times the cost of great springers in their comparisons? I said cost as a point.
I enjoy shooting Both!!.....Another thing to realize is that the rabbit hole for quality springers is a lot less deep
I enjoy shooting Both!!.....Another thing to realize is that the rabbit hole for quality springers is a lot less deep
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My long range high power PCPs are all 2k plus with optics. My short range ones vary, the disco I just bought here would give springers a run for their money I think, but it's long since discontinued. It was a 215 dollar gun with a spare scope and base..... Then I put a vortex on that I had in the archives and increased it's value 5 fold.Notice how some of the PCP guys post rifles costing 2-3 times the cost of great springers in their comparisons? I said cost as a point.
I enjoy shooting Both!!.....Another thing to realize is that the rabbit hole for quality springers is a lot less deep
I'm older and wiser and trickier now and realize that I could've tuned the lockup on my springers to help with the precision issue I suffered, and found better pellets. Shimming things goes a long way from wheel guns to hinged barrels and it's cheap to do. Combine that with a stiff locking detent spring and I may not have had so many issues.
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100% crazy pcp is $$$ at the same time price isn't the only thing to consider. I'm good for hundreds of yards, approx 28-60 shots on a fill based on power setting and have 50-74 fpe at my disposal and an optic that range finds and ballistic solves. It's a calculator gun and those arent a challenge beyond the initial setup. Also it weighs as much as a pirate ship bronze cannon, but it's one of the quietest guns I own.Notice how some of the PCP guys post rifles costing 2-3 times the cost of great springers in their comparisons? I said cost as a point.
I enjoy shooting Both!!.....Another thing to realize is that the rabbit hole for quality springers is a lot less deep
Looks like this zelos pcp might give the good springers some value competition.
I won't disparriage any style of gun to justify my choices, if you're shooting I'm with you all the way.
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Depends on what springer you are talking , read up on your springer,some are just better than others . Shooting springer techquie is sorta like shooting pistol techquie....in that both take a considerable time to master.Onece you master either everything else becomes easier.
You do not have to shim,you just get the bolts tight enough so the barrel drops with just some resistance.
It is better to learn what to do first ,get a general idea how things work.....if you already know I apologize for the redundancy
You do not have to shim,you just get the bolts tight enough so the barrel drops with just some resistance.
It is better to learn what to do first ,get a general idea how things work.....if you already know I apologize for the redundancy
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The Zelos has much more power than a springer...
A better comparison would be the $269 Notos pcp!
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I have been an air gunner from a child and then got really into pb games. The shimming just made things more repeatable and smoother, not tighter. (I was chasing the dragon of Dan Wesson smoothness). And I figured it could make a hinged barrel return to position more repeatable. I'm a perpetual tinkerer, have machine tools and CANNOT leave well well enough alone. It's a personality flaw. The Tim Taylor gene.Depends on what springer you are talking , read up on your springer,some are just better than others . Shooting springer techquie is sorta like shooting pistol techquie....in that both take a considerable time to master.Onece you master either everything else becomes easier.
You do not have to shim,you just get the bolts tight enough so the barrel drops with just some resistance.
It is better to learn what to do first ,get a general idea how things work.....if you already know I apologize for the redundancy
The weakest link is me and my technique and I'm not afraid to admit it. I want to love a springer, I just haven't found it yet.
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I consider those notos like the crosman 2240 or the ruger 10/22. THE MOST EXPENSIVE budget gun you'll ever buy. They're great guns, no argument there. The problem is the aftermarket is too enticing. I might get one if I know i can set it up for 177 with an fx liner and a bottle.... Not that they're better but because it's the devil I know right now.
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