I use tubes and solid state?Hmmmm... punch cards, manual dials and vacuum tubes Eh?
OK, back at you: Black & White TV, hand mowers and reel to reel tape decks!
Seems we're close to the same vintage
Cheers!
And all kinds of airguns!
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if I may interject an observation about springers and pcps is this
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And all kinds of airguns!
It's obviously possible to do a bad job of designing and building a PCP, but a PCP really doesn't require the same level of precision to make well as does a springer. The proof of this is that your average self taught, amateur machinist can make a decent custom PCP just using a few off the shelf items and in all likelihood it will shoot well. Very few people are capable of making their own springer however and I'd wager that even fewer can make one you'd actually want to shoot.
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And yet a beautiful AirArms Pro Sport is only $1000, compare it to an FX or even a Leshiy. The Pro Sport, to my eye, looks a lot prettier and just feel that lovely wood stock.
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and floor model TVs with phonographs built in on top...and Rabit ears. UHF/VHFHmmmm... punch cards, manual dials and vacuum tubes Eh?
OK, back at you: Black & White TV, hand mowers and reel to reel tape decks!
Seems we're close to the same vintage
Cheers!
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This is what I believe the angle should be on selling somebody on a springer. My impact quickly became a bench gun because it's no fun to carry at all and it did used to suffer from poi shift. What happened was my technique had to change and I had to have finer and finer resolution on adjustments to the point where I just park my truck and anything in a 150 yard radius is within reach.
I miss the old days as a kid walking in the desert hills with a handy gun and doing my best to make a 30 yard shot, i still have the daisy break barrel and benjamin 392(the one that started air rifles for me... Not pistols).
The power and light weight that a springer offers is why I so badly want to be recommended a 20 cal (or one I can convert to 20)under or side lever. I just need you guys to point me in the right direction.
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I don't get the fascination of under levers, especially for hunting. They are heavy, hard to load (nearly impossible for my 79 year old fingers), and adding a good scope makes them very heavy. That said, I still cling to my Beeman HW97. I had an HW98 that would shoot 3/8" groups at 50 yards on a good day. I use to line up .38 Special brass that I had picked up at the range and go 7 or 8 of 10 at 50 yards with it but I thought it was also too heavy for hunting. I find the R9/HW95 to be a great hunting rifle, especially for squirrel.
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The price range that the OP mentioned really doesn’t contain the best examples of PCPs. Spend a little more and you end up with something that you can proudly show off at the PB range to the astonishment of those in attendance. I would never even consider breaking the barrel of one of my springers at the gun club. Those honorably defending Springlandia will call for my head for saying this but springers are not even in the same league. It probably doesn’t help that I have landed on .25 as my caliber of choice. Fire away with your reliability comments. Fact is I have replaced more broken springs than I have had PCP leaks. Luck? I can’t say but I do stay away from the more complex models. Technologies march on whether we want to admit it to our self or not. Pictured are my three .25s
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I just haven't been able to shoot any of the break barrels I own or have owned inside the standards I try to hold myself to. Basically I just don't want a swinging barrel, or the scope would have to be long eye relief and attached to the barrel. I'm no spring chicken anymore but I've got dexterity still at 40 and I'm still good at hiking weight around. Just not a billet behemoth of a 74 fpe 22 pcp.
If a gun is reasonable on price and I don't like it, i give it to a younger kid that wants one. Now that my tastes have become more expensive, I'd need a gem of a springer
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Im taking this to my old club, and the old rimfire competition that I used to be in the top 3 of for years, with the express intent of embarrassing some guys and getting air rifles an asterisk or banned from placing in the competitions.
The optic might be all they ban tho. There's 1 springer that I've shot that could blur the lines and it was the single example of a benjamin npxl that I have gotten to spend time with. BTW, my goofy target deeper in the thread was shot with this slugger contraption.Upvote 0
I think the king of all the springers would be the Air Arms Pro Sport. Ticks all your points but price. I would own one if I could load it easily.
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Thank you! Price is fine if it's good for my issues. At that price point I can't give that away.
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They are heavy, but for long range plinking from the bench, they are a very entertaining challenge.
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The 97 loads easily from a sitting position, but I find it clumsy to load and shoot while out walking. That's when I'll take the 95.
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That's mighty fine of you.
At 1k id probably brute force some situation to make it work for me.
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I have a 10 meter comp rifle that came with a card showing the gun had put five rounds in a .177 size hole and for what it costs, it jolly well should. Unfortunately I’m not up to that task. I can however shoot a springer offhand into a 2 inch target at 30 yards. Find one of whatever that does what you want and develop a routine in shooting and maintenance. Find the pellet it likes best and stick with it. Getting a good gun is only the beginning. If you were to observe a successful competition shooter over several matches you’ll notice he does things the same way every time.
Rick H.
Rick H.
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I don't own any springers, though I've shot some nice ones over the years. In my own experience, there isn't anything a springer can do that a PCP cannot do better. But that's not really the point. Most of what I read here on these forums lead me to believe that people like springers because they are traditional. Like most traditional tools, it takes a bit more skill and dedication to achieve great results and some take great pride in that. As well they should. But it isn't everyone's cup of tea.
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Well said.
To add to my prior comment, my HW95 is for 50 yards or less, mostly less.
Plus I never got to have one as a kid.
To add to my prior comment, my HW95 is for 50 yards or less, mostly less.
Plus I never got to have one as a kid.
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whatever rocks your boat.I quality springer,which there are many can outshoot a pcp that costs about the same.
Yes ,I tested my theory yesterday,ok it is a generalization,never-the-less for me it holds true.
A $400-500 springer is more accurate that a $400-500 pcp...
I think why too many guys go with the pcp is because of the hype,or they may have a hard time cocking a springer,I see no other reasons.
A $500 pcp is just the start of the spending frenzy also. But Jesse a pcp is easier to shoot,you don't need as much skill;
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I would like to see a pcp that could even share the same bed with my '07 RWS Diana 48 "of the same age"....if one even existed? Or to put it another way, I would like to see any one of todays best pcp's 18 years from today share the same bed with my same '07 48 or my HW97k; only problem it will be my son or grandson that will do the comparison as I will be pushing up daisy's as they say....but my '48 and my 97k will still be in the family! Also with open sights, my '48 will continue to cover a quarter at 30 yards 50 years from now just as it did in 2007 when I purchased it.....will your pcp???
Classic springers are like a fine wine, aged to its peak and enjoyed for generations....no different than my 1997 Chev stepside pickup I purchased new, or my neighbors '57 Chevrolet Belaire.
I, with sound mind do not believe a well aged pcp air rifle of any make, are on the same planet earth as a classic springer. So all this discussion of which pcp or springer is more accurate is not infinite....of course the springer is infinite, as your pcp will die young; in other words, who would want an old even 6-7 year old $$$ pcp that has been sitting in your closet dying?
Classic springers are like a fine wine, aged to its peak and enjoyed for generations....no different than my 1997 Chev stepside pickup I purchased new, or my neighbors '57 Chevrolet Belaire.
I, with sound mind do not believe a well aged pcp air rifle of any make, are on the same planet earth as a classic springer. So all this discussion of which pcp or springer is more accurate is not infinite....of course the springer is infinite, as your pcp will die young; in other words, who would want an old even 6-7 year old $$$ pcp that has been sitting in your closet dying?
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