Identification of what makes an air rifle "obsolet":

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Emu

Emu

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It is time to identify what we as users take into consideration to assume that "X rifle" is obsolet.

I will start with some topics. Please feel free to complement.

This exercise would help rifle makers to focus and improve:

1.- Accuracy at long distance. Now a days the expectation is about an inch center to center at 150 yards ( + -).

2.- Variantions of fps among shots (this could have some tolerance if change on accuracy is not evident)

3.- Shots per fill. No caliber, diverse of heavy artillery ( .357, .45 and .50) would give less than 70 shots per fill.

4.- Single shot, no magazine.

5.- Number of shots in the magazine (as much as possible).

6.- Total Lenght. No rifle of any kind should be more than 39 inch long. It makes the rifle very unconfortable.

7.- Lack of a secure and comfortable to operate safety.

8.- A barrel that is not able to shot accurately expansive pellets (JSB Hades or Hunter Extreme) or slugs at expected distance.

9.- Lack of reliability because of constant leaks.

10.- No possibility of change o´rings by a normal owner.



Please feel free to incorporate what you think it is an importan aspect to be incorporated in this list.


 
None of that makes a gun obsolete aside from 9 and 10. If it can't be fixed, it is obsolete. Outdated sure but not necessarily obsolete.

1) Most people aren't requiring 1" groups at 100 let alone 150. 

2) A high ES and SD are definitely not preferred but there are plenty of non regulated guns still being made today that shoot absolutely fine for your average Jos Schmoe back yard plinker.

3) A high shot count is nice but plenty of guns come with small air reservoirs. My .25 Dreamline gets 37 shots before it drops below reg and I have zero issue with that.

4) Many people prefer a single shot tray.

5) See number 4. To add to it, high capacity mags are a convience but thats about it. Get multiple magazines if required.

6) LOL, what??

7) LOL, what?? Part 2. I mean obviously you want a safety that works well but most of the time I rarely even use mine. The most important safety on a gun is the one between your ears.

8) Not everyone cares about slugs. The people who do usually just buy a gun with a barrel designed for slugs.
 
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Airguns in my opinion will never be obsolete! They have been around for over two hundred years! The president day pcp’s needs more care and maintenance as filling equipment. But all guns have positive and negative some are more needy than others . The plus that I noticed after a few hours shooting in my back yard there’s no empty brass to pick up. But that’s just one more positive thing that I could think of right off the bat. But a interesting question thanks again 
 
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According to the list mine are "obsolete". I would NOT trade either one of them for ANYTHING on the market today! To me they're like a wine that gets better with age or a classic guitar that increases in value with each passing year (only drums & electric pianos DECREASE. Figures I chose drums!). 75% of the posts I see here are regarding problems with newer, innovative airguns. I want & need accuracy, consistency, reliability & durability. The Royale/Boss/Bobcat platform delivers in spades & checks all the boxes for me. Obsolescence, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder IMHO. The older I get (70 in February) the less crap I want to deal with in my life. Why on earth would I want to spend twice as much on a newer airgun & get 5 times as many problems? It's a subjective thing I guess. Your mileage may vary! Maybe I'm just getting old & crotchety. Damnit, YOU KIDS GET OFFA MY LAWN!!!

Had to edit: neither of mine have ever had a leak & both shoot Hades. One with extreme accuracy & one with acceptable accuracy. 
 
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I agree with Sqwirlfugger57 this sounds more like a list of things you don't like and that's OK because we are all entitled to our own opinions. In my mind what makes a gun obsolete is its broke and you can't get or make parts to fix. Accuracy and convenience or the lack of does not disqualify a gun, because there are many in this sport that like the challenge of making a sad gun happy with better results. I have found that there is something in this sport for just about anybody willing to look for it. If you have deep pockets the world is your oyster, but the guy that's on a budget can still find less expensive guns to work with also. 
 
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I agree with Sqwirlfugger57 this sounds more like a list of things you don't like and that's OK because we are all entitled to our own opinions. In my mind what makes a gun obsolete is its broke and you can't get or make parts to fix. Accuracy and convenience or the lack of does not disqualify a gun, because there are many in this sport that like the challenge of making a sad gun happy with better results. I have found that there is something in this sport for just about anybody willing to look for it. If you have deep pockets the world is your oyster, but the guy that's on a budget can still find less expensive guns to work with also.
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Many of us started with and made our sons to start with a Daisy bb gun.

That do not make Daisy air rifles obsolet, but as in other sports as box, UFC there are leagues and cathegories.

I own two Falcon Prairy air rifles that are EXTREMLY accurate. But they give 24 shots per fill. Those rifles fulfill all other aspects t take into consideration on my list. 

The point is that I would not buy anymore an air rifle rifle in .22 Cal that gives only 24 shots per fill ..... 

That is what I mean for obsolet, no matter it was made in the factory this morning and shipped this afternoon.




 
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To be categorized as obsolete something has to be modern in comparison, it’s a relative term that’s specific to each use case or discipline. 


you brought up many good points but most of those sounds like your personal requirement. A modern 10 meter gun isn’t going to even try to shoot pass 10 meters. A long range gun isn’t even going bother to shoot 10 meters.



However what makes thing more modern is better efficiency and material for that specific use case. Good example is free flight hammer that prevents hammer bounce. More modern picatinny rails, 20 MOA rails for long range guns, easier to cock aide levers, more repeatable adjustability for tuning or huge amount of power to name a few. There are obsolete guns that are extremely accurate and do what they are designed to do very well but are they really obsolete since they still do their job exceedingly well? Yes and no? It depends on what you want out of it. If there is a feature you want and your current gun doesn’t have it then yes your current gun is obsolete but reverse is true no matter how long it has been. 














 
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does that mean my brand new weihrauch hw77 special edition is obsolete? I can run a 5000 shot string without refilling.and change velocity several ways. Change weight of projectiles , and tuning the spring / guide/ piston length ( short stroking)..granted its vastly more work, which some find rewarding .

I find the single shot aspect gives me time to concentrate and calmly take each shot thoughtfully instead of rushing. Springers, being hold sensitive forces consistent holds which leads to muscle memory.

Yes I know your talking about pcp's just thought id add 2 c. Part of the reason I'm waiting for the perfect pcp. There's 3 or 4 that are damn close atm. Impact m3, the raws and some leshis.

The ultimate dream gun would have a nasa weight compressor on board that weighs under a pound and goes upto 4500 psi!


 
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This list sounds more like what some one wants I a airgun in there opinion and not a list of what makes a airgun obsolete a inch at a 150 yards that's under moa let alone a lot of people probably couldn't shoot that well to begin with keeping a 5 shot group under moa using pellets Is not a easy task at 100 yards then add some wind to the factor besides lol 
 
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Most airgunners don't give a hoot about slugs at 50 yards, let alone 150 -

Sorry to sound harsh, but imho your criteria for airguns to not qualify as obsolete shows a lack of experience, or a very "contempory" perspective to be kind -

Or I could be completely off base, and you're a seasoned veteran, but nonetheless have consumed gallons of eastern block cool aid, you like what you like, etc. and so on... 

Just sayin' -
 
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If spare parts can't be find .. it could be considered obsolete... if you keep posting the gun for sale over n over n it only sells at a way lower price than you think is worth n it keep happening with the same model to others selling.. obsolete no body wants it... no matter how good it shoot.. if you have a gun n the blue book of gun says it worth $3000 n nobody buy it at any price...obsolete..hang it on the wall..😁
 
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