I tried a digital scope. Yuck... I think

zebra

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So a guy at the range had a new digital scope. An ATN 2 Sight Smart HD something something (something). He allowed me to take a quick look and it created very mixed feelings. 

On the one hand, it had many cool-sounding features like built in range finding and wind reading things that supposedly shows you where the POI will be instead of relying on your cunning and wit to read the distance, wind speed / direction to guess where your projectile will actually land in relation to your Zero. It also had built-in night vision and the ability to record video footage of your shot without the need for an additional device. 

While it was heavy, it wasn't that much heavier than some of the 6-24 FFP scopes many people here enjoy using.


But.... This thing is an electronic device. just like my phone and computer, it asks you to perform those annoying and annoyingly regular updates which require an Internet connection. You know the sort I mean. A pesky message appears on-screen pretending you have a choice if to update the software. It then goes through some long process that can't be interrupted and when it's done... Everything is exactly the same. You have no new features. In fact, it often causes existing features to stop working! Anyway...

Also, I t uses an LCD screen with a digital zoom. This is the part that bothers me most. It claims to be HD but even 4k HD images are nowhere near as good as looking at what is there in front of you through a quality lens. 

It uses a battery too and just like the one on your smart phone, it needs charging regularly and eventually it won't hold a charge at all.

I generally like technology but I'm not sure about these digital scopes. I kinda want all their benefits but without losing what's good about regular scopes. I.e. I want the crosshairs to move to show me where the actual poi will be, I just don't want to use an LCD screen or need hooking up to the Internet for updates ever. 

This is not a review btw. I did not spend long enough with the product or hook it up to an air rifle etc. What do you guys think about digital computerized scopes? 

 
"Deja"2-3 generations forward and they will be awesome. 4k is a must and they need to shrink and last longer.
I was thinking that instead of using an LCD, the digital info should be projected onto a regular lens. You would be looking through glass to get a sharp image but the crosshairs would be digital and dynamic instead of etched in. 

This way it would use less power and could still be used as a regular scope when the battery was dead. It is the powering of a bright color screen that is constantly on that uses the battery up fast.
 
"zebra"So a guy at the range had a new digital scope. An ATN 2 Sight Smart HD something something (something). He allowed me to take a quick look and it created very mixed feelings. 

On the one hand, it had many cool-sounding features like built in range finding and wind reading things that supposedly shows you where the POI will be instead of relying on your cunning and wit to read the distance, wind speed / direction to guess where your projectile will actually land in relation to your Zero. It also had built-in night vision and the ability to record video footage of your shot without the need for an additional device. 

While it was heavy, it wasn't that much heavier than some of the 6-24 FFP scopes many people here enjoy using.


But.... This thing is an electronic device. just like my phone and computer, it asks you to perform those annoying and annoyingly regular updates which require an Internet connection. You know the sort I mean. A pesky message appears on-screen pretending you have a choice if to update the software. It then goes through some long process that can't be interrupted and when it's done... Everything is exactly the same. You have no new features. In fact, it often causes existing features to stop working! Anyway...

Also, I t uses an LCD screen with a digital zoom. This is the part that bothers me most. It claims to be HD but even 4k HD images are nowhere near as good as looking at what is there in front of you through a quality lens. 

It uses a battery too and just like the one on your smart phone, it needs charging regularly and eventually it won't hold a charge at all.

I generally like technology but I'm not sure about these digital scopes. I kinda want all their benefits but without losing what's good about regular scopes. I.e. I want the crosshairs to move to show me where the actual poi will be, I just don't want to use an LCD screen or need hooking up to the Internet for updates ever. 

This is not a review btw. I did not spend long enough with the product or hook it up to an air rifle etc. What do you guys think about digital computerized scopes? 


I've got one of those. For the most part you are right about the thing. I'm gradually building up videos about it on youtube so that folks can decide for themselves whether or not they want one. I wanted the night vision capability to compliment other things I keep around the house. I keep mine on my Condor and as I mentioned, I am gradually building up some videos about it on youtube. There is another member (Steve Allen) who just did a good set of reviews and there are lots of others already on teh tubez:
https://www.youtube.com/user/catanonia/videos
 
I miss the good old days of electronics sometimes. In those days before microprocessors and micro-controllers electronics had to be built with actual hardwired analog and logic components instead of depending on a software simulation of those components. The result was great reliability and NO firmware to update EVER! ;)

Thurmond
 
"T3PRanch"I miss the good old days of electronics sometimes. In those days before microprocessors and micro-controllers electronics had to be built with actual hardwired analog and logic components instead of depending on a software simulation of those components. The result was great reliability and NO firmware to update EVER! ;)

Thurmond
So true !!

Dad was a Missile Engineer at White Sands for 32 years He use to show us the telemetry gizzmo that controlled on-board rocket/missile processes. It looked like the drum from a music box, with raised dimples that closed circuits (as it rotated instead of plucking out notes like it would in a music box). In order to control the drum's cadence a bellows from the altimeter would retard and/or accelerate the rotational speed of the drum to match the altitude. As long as the altimeter was properly calibrated, and the wind-up mechanism didn't fail, the operational reliability was up to each hard wired component, and NOT a million lines of code each susceptible to static electricity. Dad says "It's a shame now these young engineers have to wear a fancy bracelet" (static-prevention) to work on a dang rocket.
 
The ideal is to have the option to use all the features you like on the occasion where they would be useful but also have the option to remove them (and their weight) to use as a regular scope the rest of the time. That's what you have with traditional scopes.

A big problem with making a scope from a computer is that you know it will be obsolete in 5 years and worthless like every other electronic device. It will be something to give away to homeless people like an IPhone 1. You put that same $800 to $1500 into a regular scope, you'll be able to get back a good chunk of your money in 5 years because good glass never seems to get cheap. 

While they get away with sloppy programming on IPads or cable boxes by relying on their ability to fix bugs later and hounding their customers with constant mandatory updates, I will never be happy with a scope that does that. 

A scope is an aiming tool. Once it has reticles, night vision, a range finder and anemometer, what could they possibly have to add with an update that we would care about? I'll never buy a scope that needs software updates. 

Still, when they can provide all those features on a digital scope with sight picture that is comparable to high quality glass and make it weigh the same (or less), maybe we'll all change our minds. The one I saw had some nice features. 

They might get more traction at the cheaper end of the market. The sight picture on cheap high power scopes is usually terrible so an enhanced digital hd image might be an improvement