I think I made a mistake

I have a 177 Regal Huntsman, it wears a Huggett Beletta moderator (120 mm). I also have a 22 Taipan Standard. I read how quite the Taipan was but it was not quite enough for me compared to the Huntsman with the Beletta. I bought the Huggett Atom (89mm) to use on my Taipan. I also have a 177 Wolverine with a 0DB moderator on it. The Taipan with the Atom is the quietest. In my opinion for what its worth the Atom is the best looking moderator I have seen on Any Taipan. I don't like the can look on the end myself. 

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...the most accurate, quietest, lightest, shortest airgun that can get me say 25+ FPE...



Alan,

I'm sorry that this PCP thing hasn't worked out for you so far.

In my own airgunning journey I found that some purchases are "educational expenses" so to speak — paid to the School of Personal Experience.

For example, when I bought my first "real" airgun scope, armed with only two(!!) criteria (price and magnification) — that kind of ignorance wasn't bliss — it was expensive — but I learned from it what criteria were important to me and my type of shooting. 



🔷 You're hunting for the "quietest, shortest, 25+FPE PCP" — and those criteria are similar to what I look for in a PCP.

However, all three — quietness, compactness, and power — cannot be achieved at the same time, as they work against each other.



🔷 The infographic below illustrates this.

And gives you some remedies of what you can do to have your cake of all three characteristics — and eat it, too!



Matthias

Thank you, Matthias. Then I'll give up compactness. Maximize quietness. I dont believe 25fpe is anywhere near max power and ignore compactness. What are the guns that satisfy those criteria in your experience?
 
I have a 177 Regal Huntsman, it wears a Huggett Beletta moderator (120 mm). I also have a 22 Taipan Standard. I read how quite the Taipan was but it was not quite enough for me compared to the Huntsman with the Beletta. I bought the Huggett Atom (89mm) to use on my Taipan. I also have a 177 Wolverine with a 0DB moderator on it. The Taipan with the Atom is the quietest. In my opinion for what its worth the Atom is the best looking moderator I have seen on Any Taipan. I don't like the can look on the end myself. 

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So in order of quietness on your journey:

  1. Taipan 22 + Atom
  2. Regal Huntsman 177 + Beletta
  3. Wolverine 177 + 0dB
    [/LIST=1]

    Is that correct?
 
I have a 177 Regal Huntsman, it wears a Huggett Beletta moderator (120 mm). I also have a 22 Taipan Standard. I read how quite the Taipan was but it was not quite enough for me compared to the Huntsman with the Beletta. I bought the Huggett Atom (89mm) to use on my Taipan. I also have a 177 Wolverine with a 0DB moderator on it. The Taipan with the Atom is the quietest. In my opinion for what its worth the Atom is the best looking moderator I have seen on Any Taipan. I don't like the can look on the end myself. 

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So in order of quietness on your journey:

  1. Taipan 22 + Atom
  2. Regal Huntsman 177 + Beletta
  3. Wolverine 177 + 0dB
    [/LIST=1]

    Is that correct?


  1. that is correct at my house and my ears. The Taipan is also the most accurate of the three. But there are days that I shoot the Wolverine and Huntsman better because the rifle configuration is more forgiving than the Bullpup. But I grab the Taipan more to shoot because of the compactness. It wins as my favorite for all around shooting, pesting and playing.

    edit auto correct changed testing to besting. 
 

I looked and these threads are bimodal: they either discuss more expensive solutions (e.g. taipans, pulsar, redwolf) or more entry-level solutions (e.g. prod or mrod), never both. That is, if I have a bolt action mrod and a pulsar next to each other, will I hear a difference in perceived noise level at 10yds away? Are they both as accurate at 50yds?
 

I looked and these threads are bimodal: they either discuss more expensive solutions (e.g. taipans, pulsar, redwolf) or more entry-level solutions (e.g. prod or mrod), never both. That is, if I have a bolt action mrod and a pulsar next to each other, will I hear a difference in perceived noise level at 10yds away? Are they both as accurate at 50yds?

What you're asking is very subjective. I don't own either of those 2 airguns so I can't give my opinion on it. I also don't own a Taipan Veteran yet so no luck there as well. I think someone who's owned all the guns you mentioned could give a better opinion. What I do know is very general. Make a list of priorities in what you want in an airgun and go from there. JungleShooter is on the right track.

Decide on a caliber. In general, .177 will be quieter than .22. .22 will be quieter than .25 and so on. Pick a platform. Bullpup or rifle? With a bullpup, the shooter will hear more of the mechanics of the gun because the hammer, valve, and regulator is right under the person's ear. The Pulsar might be the exception. With short guns in general, the barrel is also closer to the shooter's ear compared to a rifle giving the perception that one is louder or quieter than the other.

In terms of power, they should all be compared at the same speeds in FPS and caliber. In terms of accuracy, I consider a .22 shooting a five shot group under 1/2 inch at 50 yards in good weather conditions very acceptable. Some say their Mrods can do this. Most Daystates with Lothar Walther (LW) barrels should be able to do this. Either brand can do it or better if they win the barrel lottery. 

Another thing to consider is barrel length. The shorter the barrel, the louder it will be in general. A higher regulator and hammer spring tension (HST) would need to be increased to bring it up to the appropriate speed and FPE levels. With a longer barrel and larger plenum reservoir, it's the other way around. Less stress/tension on the internals making it a quieter airgun.

When testing for quietness, it's probably better if you have someone else shoot the gun with you standing a distance away. There are other variables to consider. There are some moderators that might improve accuracy or ruin it. Even FPS can be increased or decreased with different moderators. Some are designed more as an air stripper than a silencer. Some are designed to work as a whole system with the shroud. In the end, you might just end up with a whole collection of moderators like most of us just to try on every airgun you get to find the right one.

Sorry I couldn't give you a more direct answer.


 
My quietest gun is a Kral Puncher Breaker. It's not stock though. Debounce Hammer which reduces wasted air and quiets the gun a lot on its own. Then adding a peek striker to reduce the mechanical strike you hear upon firing. Internal shroud silencer plus a Donnyfl on the end and a depinger in the tube. Gun literally sounds broken when fired it's so quiet. 30 fpe in 22 and 60 shots on a fill. ½" groups at 50 yards. 
 
My quietest gun is a Kral Puncher Breaker. It's not stock though. Debounce Hammer which reduces wasted air and quiets the gun a lot on its own. Then adding a peek striker to reduce the mechanical strike you hear upon firing. Internal shroud silencer plus a Donnyfl on the end and a depinger in the tube. Gun literally sounds broken when fired it's so quiet. 30 fpe in 22 and 60 shots on a fill. ½" groups at 50 yards.

Ichinichi,

☝🏽 This is when you reach airgun nirvana bliss lol.
 

I looked and these threads are bimodal: they either discuss more expensive solutions (e.g. taipans, pulsar, redwolf) or more entry-level solutions (e.g. prod or mrod), never both. That is, if I have a bolt action mrod and a pulsar next to each other, will I hear a difference in perceived noise level at 10yds away? Are they both as accurate at 50yds?

What you're asking is very subjective. I don't own either of those 2 airguns so I can't give my opinion on it. I also don't own a Taipan Veteran yet so no luck there as well. I think someone who's owned all the guns you mentioned could give a better opinion. What I do know is very general. Make a list of priorities in what you want in an airgun and go from there. JungleShooter is on the right track.

Decide on a caliber. In general, .177 will be quieter than .22. .22 will be quieter than .25 and so on. Pick a platform. Bullpup or rifle? With a bullpup, the shooter will hear more of the mechanics of the gun because the hammer, valve, and regulator is right under the person's ear. The Pulsar might be the exception. With short guns in general, the barrel is also closer to the shooter's ear compared to a rifle giving the perception that one is louder or quieter than the other.

In terms of power, they should all be compared at the same speeds in FPS and caliber. In terms of accuracy, I consider a .22 shooting a five shot group under 1/2 inch at 50 yards in good weather conditions very acceptable. Some say their Mrods can do this. Most Daystates with Lothar Walther (LW) barrels should be able to do this. Either brand can do it or better if they win the barrel lottery. 

Another thing to consider is barrel length. The shorter the barrel, the louder it will be in general. A higher regulator and hammer spring tension (HST) would need to be increased to bring it up to the appropriate speed and FPE levels. With a longer barrel and larger plenum reservoir, it's the other way around. Less stress/tension on the internals making it a quieter airgun.

When testing for quietness, it's probably better if you have someone else shoot the gun with you standing a distance away. There are other variables to consider. There are some moderators that might improve accuracy or ruin it. Even FPS can be increased or decreased with different moderators. Some are designed more as an air stripper than a silencer. Some are designed to work as a whole system with the shroud. In the end, you might just end up with a whole collection of moderators like most of us just to try on every airgun you get to find the right one.

Sorry I couldn't give you a more direct answer.


Thank you. I think I have selected those parameters throughout the thread, though I can gather it all in one place below:

Caliber: 22 cal is adequate for my needs.

Platform: I do not care whether bullpup or rifle because I am not concerned with what I hear; I am concerned about what someone 10-20yds away hears. I have read that bullpup mechanisms are more complicated and thus carry greater risk of failure. Is this true?

Power: Just want to reliably drop up to a raccoon at 50yds.

Accuracy: Sure, 5 shot group <0.5" at 50yds in good weather is very acceptable

Length: I can deal with anything that has an overall length of up to a 22 m-rod (43"; 20" barrel) but not a 22 m-rod+sumo (49.25"); a taipan vet long + sumo is fine (31.5"+6.25"; 21.6" barrel), as is a DRXL (36.5"; 17" barrel). I guess a long barrel bullpup would be the way to go.






 
Wow such advice,all good to know......But,what do you like in Air gun?

There are a lot of bull pub answers,is that something your interested in?Do you think you'll like style?

I have a P rod carbine,Prod are all .22 cal.....I love it,also have it in pistol form,again I love it.Plenty of mods out there to quiet in even more.

For me I do not like Bull pups...much rather have a old style rifle.

Get the Huntsmen.......with the a Huggett .

And another thing.....why not just quiet down your already have Marauder...you already have it and if you like it Keep it and learn from it

Too many enableers,too much confusion...You got to think about this....you ready to spend $1500+ on a something you may not like.

Get the Prod for now.....Sorry,I see you want to drop a raccoon at 50yds,ok keep your Marauder and use it .

Maybe the question should be ,what is the best way to quiet my Marauder.




 
Looks like I need to have a look at the taipan vets. Dumb question, but what are the pros and cons of short, standard, and long variants?

To @skydivingmiami, if quiet and accuracy for posting are my key objectives, how do the mrod 22 and taipan veteran stack up? What does the premium pricing of the vet get me in those two aspects? Why did you end up with a vet and not the mrod?

Thank you, guys!

So both guns are in different categories. I had the .22 and .25 mrod- they both are great Starter airguns. for the price its a fantastic value, its accurate with the right pellets, they work as they should, and area easy to pump with a hand pump. The internal baffles work perfectly on the 22, the 25 was a little too loud for my yard, but you can slow the pellet down and it will help reduce the noise. I ended up selling both mine, just because I wanted a regulated airgun and wanted something that was smaller. To add a regulator to the mrod is extra money that I didn't feel like investing.


Now theTaipan is just on a different level, price point/accuracy/quietness. Is it worth the price?.... 100% yes

Heres my finding on the taipan, "I wouldn't trade my taipans for anything" yeah I have other airguns in my stable, but the taipans are my go to airguns. A lot of members on here feel the same.. 

the LW and CZ barrels that these airguns come with are just too darn good to sell. The design is simple and works as it should. They don't leak like other brands, easy to work on(Mrod is also). Do you like the Bullpup style vs rifle?
 
Power: Just want to reliably drop up to a raccoon at 50yds.



You will need to tune your airgun to shoot heavier pellets with a good amount of FPE in order to drop a coon at 50 yards they are tough critters. Also.. accuracy will play a roll, because if you can't hit what you are aiming for, the point is mute. 
Make sure you go regulated, so your shots are consistent.


try hitting a quarter at 50 yards out that is moving with an airgun.. its not an easy task with any airgun.