I need general help choosing a rifle

I have a Crosman 600 CO2 pistol, which I have owned for 60 years (!). After replacing the main seal recently, it shoots like new, which is phenomenal for a CO2 handgun. Now, though, I want an air rifle. I don't want PCP if I can avoid it, but I don't know enough about the offerings available in air-piston rifles yet. I looked online at the Hatsan offerings and they look promising, but I don't like that the #155 (for example) has a barrel that is not fixed to the receiver. My question is: what is out there which has a fixed barrel and no moving spring (while firing) in .22 cal.?
I am not too familiar with the options and terminologies used today. For instance, am I looking for an underlever pumper? The most important thing is the rifle must have a fixed barrel, and secondly that it requires just one pump before "firing".

Thanks in advance
 
All spring powered single stroke rifles will have a spring that moves while firing. If you dont want a spring then go with a single stroke pneumatic such as the Daisy 853 model , mabey crossman makes a single stroke pneumatic I am not sure. If just punching paper they are great but for pest control or long range they are not powerfull enough. Need lots more information about what your going to do with it.
 
Since I want the rifle to be able to dispatch a squirrel, neither of the Daisy rifles is suitable. Looking at a muzzle velocity between 800-1000 fps, like a sub-sonic .22 LR. But, thanks for those mentions.

As you've added more comments on what you are looking for, it looks like it might be a Unicorn. Not sure you are going to find what you want-a .22 single stroke pneumatic at 800+ fps. But good luck in your search.
 
I have a Crosman 600 CO2 pistol, which I have owned for 60 years (!). After replacing the main seal recently, it shoots like new, which is phenomenal for a CO2 handgun. Now, though, I want an air rifle. I don't want PCP if I can avoid it, but I don't know enough about the offerings available in air-piston rifles yet. I looked online at the Hatsan offerings and they look promising, but I don't like that the #155 (for example) has a barrel that is not fixed to the receiver. My question is: what is out there which has a fixed barrel and no moving spring (while firing) in .22 cal.? I am not too familiar with the options and terminologies used today. For instance, am I looking for an underlever pumper? The most important thing is the rifle must have a fixed barrel, and secondly that it requires just one pump before "firing". Thanks in advance


No problem. There are a lot of fine spring and gas ram rifles out there these days which shoot quite well and can be had at a reasonable price. The first one that always comes to my mind when someone asks this question and wants a "sporter" (something to dispatch the squirrels) is always a Diana Model 34 but I'm a big fan of RWS/Diana. That rifle in .177 or .20 (if you can find one) is just a fun shooter with the right power an excellent trigger and a good value at most vendors. Lots of the guys here are recommending the medium powered Weirauchs lately and you can't beat anything from that manufacturer either. Great triggers, beautiful workmanship and a bit more expensive but you get what you pay for...

You will get plenty of advice on this question.
 
The Hatsan Torpedo 155 Vortex is the only rifle that I know of that has a gas ram and underlever that will be able to fire lead pellets at the speed you'd like to achieve. Generally, and in my experience, the manufacturer advertised power that can be achieved with a piston gun is something that should be viewed with a healthy dose of skepticism so I would guess that particular gun in 22 caliber actually shoots in the 800's with most medium to heavy lead pellets - it's also 11 pounds which is very heavy, but it probably has the recoil to go with it. There are relatively inexpensive PCP's which are rated for both air and CO2 so that might be an option you should consider since the choice in gas ram, fixed barrel, piston guns is so limited. 
 
The self-imposed criteria you have set for your purchase seem unrealistic. For example, your minimum velocity of 800 fps with a 14.3 gr. pellet produces 20 fpe while 1000 fps creates over 31 fps. Either velocity puts you into the magnum springer category with heavy weight, spring noise, massive recoil, and extreme hold sensitivity which can cause inaccuracy. An inexpensive springer (Hatsan) will only exacerbate these issues. A good tuner could mitigate such problems, but smoothness and shootability will still suffer as compared to a well made springer shooting that same pellet at around 18 fpe (750+ fps). In exchange for brute strength you could then have a nicely mannered, accurate rifle capable of humanely dispatching small game out to 50+ yards and target shooting even farther. Using your PB analogy, a 31 fpe springer would feel more like a a .308 than a .22LR.

If you must have a fixed barrel, then a .22 TX 200 or RWS 48-56.would both work If you can live with a break barrel (yes, they can be very accurate) a good choice would be an HW-90 which is a gas ram rifle (no spring noise) that requires no tuning out of the box and will last a lifetime.

If you really enjoy your 600, then you might want to consider a third variant Crosman 160. It is a two cartridge, CO2 rifle that has a Redfield made aperture sight and a trigger adjustable for pull weight, overtravel, and sear release. The CMP sold this version (National Guard and Airforce surplus) for around $200 and there are a lot of them around. Yes, it is only 12 fpe. But, fine accuracy, light weight, and, no recoil can be very appealing when you reach your 70s. The Brits and WFT competitors do just fine at 12 fpe for hunting and serious FT. JMHO.
 
I would second the recommendations from others for one of these if you really must have an underlever springer....

Air Arms TX200

RWS/Diana 48 or 56

I would also add either Weihrauch HW77 or HW97 to the list

These all have reputations as deadly accurate air rifles, but are heavy. That can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on your needs.

I went through the same decision making process quite recently and after much hand-wringing, I finally decided on a Weihrauch HW95 in 0.177 cal. (same rifle as the Beeman R9). I too was first drawn to an underlever. I didn't really want a break barrel due to bad experiences with a much lower quality, cheap model some years prior. The HW95 is a break barrel that I decided to get based on all the reviews and testimonials you can find online. The HW95 has a ~14 fpe power level so pellet velocities are in the 750-900 range depending on the pellet. It is a deadly accurate air rifle as well with the right pellets. On my first attempt at 50 yards (this past Saturday) with H&N Baracude Hunter Extreme pellets, I achieved a sub-Nickle size group and I'm not an accomplished spring air rifle shooter by any means (yet). I was shocked at how easy that was. Maybe it was beginners luck and I won't repeat that for weeks/months/years. I do routinely get sub-1/2" groups at 25-30 yards. I am extremely happy with the choice I made. 

Based on my recent experience I would definitely recommend paying a bit more for the quality/reputation of one of the above. There are other quality choices as well in the Air Arms, RWS/Diana or Weihrauch product lines as well. Don't discount the higher end break barrels - they are lighter and less expensive than underlevers, yet can be just as accurate.

I'm confident that if you go with one of these you won't go wrong and will be quite pleased.

Best of luck to you!
 
What you ask is impossible. All one stroke, one pump, one cock air rifles have a spring or piston. The fixed barrel air rifles overall are also heavy, heavy to the point you will not enjoy hiking around in the woods lugging one around. They are designed for target shooting from a bench. Any air rifle to actually enjoy using must be light enough to carry for a few hours, accurate and reliable and although I could bring into the equation several entry level PCP rifles, this gets into more expense with pumps, compressors, etc, etc. 

I am 67 years young, I have shot air rifles for at least 40 years, both springers and pcp rifles, and I generally shoot at least 500 pellets a week and I have a nice 100 yard shooting range in my yard. (Yep it is a six acre yard Grin!!) So let me try to guide you a bit.

The majority of springers on the market today are simply JUNK......let me repeat, they are JUNK. Sorry about that but this is a simple fact and the so called Magnum Springers will cause you nothing but frustration, disappointment and may well destroy your desire to even enjoy the sport of air gunning.

Yesterday I shot a .50 group at 60 yards with my springer, OK Kit shut up and lets get to it and stop yapping. lol. 

Forget everything for a moment and lets address the most important thing of all, The Trigger and trigger pull. Without a good trigger and a good trigger pull all other factors are meaningless. You want a light trigger and you need to develop what I call slapping the trigger. It is not hard and I can teach anyone to do this in about a two hour range session. First your trigger has to be light, at one pound or under and the technique is to take a breath, let half of it out, relax and concentrate and as the crosshair centers on the target you simply pull the trigger straight back and hold it as the rifle fires. Nope you do not gradually squeeze it while the rifle wanders around off the target, you simply take up the first stage, hold against the wall and take that breath, let some out, concentrate and when the crosshair is centered on the target precisely pull the trigger. It is called slapping the trigger. Learn to do this and you will become the Annie Oakley of air gunning.

Now lets recommend a rifle. I highly, highly recommend the Wiehrauch HW95 with the excellent Rekord Trigger. This is a fantastic air rifle, light enough to carry around, extremely accurate, has a wonderful trigger, will last for years and is quite adequate to hunt with at normal ranges up to and beyond 50 yards. It will produce around 17 FPE at the muzzle and carry between 9 and 10 fpe at 50 yards, and might I also recommend the 11.75 GTO pellet for this , with a close second being the 14.66 H and N FTT Power. A good cheap and accurate practice pellet is the Crossman 14.3 Ultra magnum. Unlike most springers you will find that almost all HW95 rifles like these pellets, there is no mystery to finding the right pellet, they shoot a lot of pellets well, and those I have named are the best of the best in this rifle and work well in all of them. 

You can buy this rifle for around $450 dollars, a good scope will cost around $400 dollars, and you are all set.

The flip side Is my PCP, Daystate Wolverine.......2000 bucks, scope 1200 bucks, compressor 3000 bucks, etc, etc it adds up but if you enjoy air gunning you will eventually get there , so let that HW95 show you the way to an enjoyable lifetime hobby. A good first impression and experience will last a lifetime. One more hint to make this a good experience, when you get your rifle, whichever one you do choose, get a tube of non permanent lock-tite and put some on every screw you can find, and I mean every exposed screw on the rifle as springers have one common problem, stock screws do work loose, sight screws work loose, so simply fix that right away. Enjoy!!



Cheers

Kit
 
Well put, Kit! 

I have found that my HW95 (Luxus model) is not very hold sensitive and the Rekord trigger is amazing! It is so easy to shoot well. As I mentioned above, mine is in ,177. It likes a great many pellets, but not the alloys or lightweight options so much.

I'm using a $130 UTG/Leapers scope with an adjustable mount that is not top-of-the-line, but it works well for me.

I would second Kit's recommendation on the HW95 as a great option for you.

Tony


 
Hi, follow-up:

I guess not everyone noticed that I don't want a rifle with a moving spring (springer). Judging by the responses I feel that I should focus on a way to achieve high pressure (for a PCP) without breaking my bank. I have a (low-pressure) compressor which could be used to power a high-pressure cylinder, once I find a primary cylinder of adequate diameter.

So, thanks for anyone who responded, however off-topic it was.
 
Hi, follow-up:

I guess not everyone noticed that I don't want a rifle with a moving spring (springer). Judging by the responses I feel that I should focus on a way to achieve high pressure (for a PCP) without breaking my bank. I have a (low-pressure) compressor which could be used to power a high-pressure cylinder, once I find a primary cylinder of adequate diameter.

So, thanks for anyone who responded, however off-topic it was.

I don't believe you can use a low power general duty air compressor to charge a PCP rifle, I believe it takes a high pressure medical/scuba dive tank compressor, the air has to be filtered and free from oil or debris particles.


 
Actually, the low-pressure compressor can power a large-diameter cylinder, which then charges a small-diameter cylinder (mechanically) to multiply the pressure. Takes some more strokes, but the resultant is high pressure. Think about two cylinders mechanically linked. Worked at a place which had such a device. My new problem is finding a large enough primary diameter without breaking the bank. Filtering not a problem. Since the idea is so basic I wonder if the device already exists.
 
If you are just planning on using the rifle for some pest removal, and occasional target practice, an inexpensive 2000 psi PCP and hand pump are all you need. Yes, pressure multipliers/amplifiers have been around for a long time, but unless you can build one from scrapped components, it will likely end up costing a lot more than a simple hand pump.

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If you are just planning on using the rifle for some pest removal, and occasional target practice, an inexpensive 2000 psi PCP and hand pump are all you need. Yes, pressure multipliers/amplifiers have been around for a long time, but unless you can build one from scrapped components, it will likely end up costing a lot more than a simple hand pump.

Benjamin Maximus Entry Level Air Rifle Kit, Black | Pyramyd Air

Thank you so much for that link! It looks like a viable prospect!