I might have to have a PCP

[fivestar45]

Actually, your misinformed in regard to Crosman trigger groups. All of the 22xx based guns (2240, 2260, 1377,etc) use a basic non world class sliding sear trigger system. However the Marauder rifle and pistol along with the 1701, and 1720 pistols use a two stage adjustable drop sear design that I doubt will impede anyone's shooting accuracy.

 

[Fischer]

Actually, your misinformed in regard to Crosman trigger groups. All of the 22xx based guns (2240, 2260, 1377,etc) use a basic non world class sliding sear trigger system. However the Marauder rifle and pistol along with the 1701, and 1720 pistols use a two stage adjustable drop sear design that I doubt will impede anyone's shooting accuracy.

This may have been directed at me for my sayings about pump up pneumatic and CO2 pistols and rifles.

My "trigger" is either HW or TO6.

Unless you have a Rekord Trigger or Diana TO6 trigger it isn't possible to shoot accurately time after time. In the Crossman Silhouette PCP I had it was the same way for my trigger finger as the other pistols. The marauding crossman rifle or pistol is just an extension of air rifle mechanics they have not improved to the point of a Rekord Trigger or a TO6.

If you don't believe it try it out.



If you have I disagree another trigger system is "better" than either HW or TO6.

 

[thumper]

Actually, your misinformed in regard to Crosman trigger groups. All of the 22xx based guns (2240, 2260, 1377,etc) use a basic non world class sliding sear trigger system. However the Marauder rifle and pistol along with the 1701, and 1720 pistols use a two stage adjustable drop sear design that I doubt will impede anyone's shooting accuracy.

This may have been directed at me for my sayings about pump up pneumatic and CO2 pistols and rifles.

My "trigger" is either HW or TO6.

Unless you have a Rekord Trigger or Diana TO6 trigger it isn't possible to shoot accurately time after time. In the Crossman Silhouette PCP I had it was the same way for my trigger finger as the other pistols. The marauding crossman rifle or pistol is just an extension of air rifle mechanics they have not improved to the point of a Rekord Trigger or a TO6.

If you don't believe it try it out.



If you have I disagree another trigger system is "better" than either HW or TO6.

@Fischer you said: 

"However, The Trigger System of all Crossman designs is severely limited in accurate shooting. The pistol or marauding pistol with more than one cartridge or using PCP is just a Crossman 1322 or .177 of the same design."

fivestar45 pointed out that you were wrong in your statement, and you are. 

The Crosman pistols do not all share the same trigger, and the Marauder and 1700 series pistols have much better triggers. 

Nobody ever said they were better than a Rekord, that's a tangent that you made up in your own head and took off in a different direction, as per usual. 

 

[Fischer]

It seems I stand corrected!

I get it I had a wonderful Crossman 322 .22 pistol in '72 called the "Medalist" and no door latch bolt but a sleeve. THAT pistol is no longer made with THAT kind of quality because NOBODY today wants a pistol shooting inside an inch at 15 yards after exactly 10 pumps every time they WANT power and accuracy demanding scopes and rails to mount laser sights and telescopic sights.

These kinds of triggers in the 1970s were THERE but no longer today because today there is no more hand worksmanship to even properly assemble polished parts.

Whose hands are we paying for the precise fitting of parts trying trying trying to match a simple Crossman Medalist .22 Pneumatic Pistol?

 

[DualMagMike]

"Unless you have a Rekord Trigger or Diana TO6 trigger it isn't possible to shoot accurately time after time."

Complete nonsense! FWB, Diana, Anschutz to name a few all have match guns that have incredible triggers and have been used in Olympic and world class events to great effect. 

 

[Fischer]

"Unless you have a Rekord Trigger or Diana TO6 trigger it isn't possible to shoot accurately time after time."

Complete nonsense! FWB, Diana, Anschutz to name a few all have match guns that have incredible triggers and have been used in Olympic and world class events to great effect.

The SW CO2 .22 pistol made in the 1970's could shoot high and low power with single shot loading. In "high power" it would go 450 fps at the muzzle and that pistol would be GREAT for 39 shots of .22 Pellets I always loaded back into the original SW .22 Pellet Can that had 200 rounds by Smith and Wesson instead of HN or JSB or whoever.

Those original pellets were followed by Crossman .22s while I shot the pistol modeled after the SW41 Match Pistol, the SW 78 G in .22 using 12.5gr cartridges.

The trigger on the 78G was "creepy" and you didn't know exactly when it would release except through the amount of creep to release the air. I realized it was a great handgun using CO2 with creep in the trigger.

If you have a rifle or handgun that has creep it means the time you start pulling slides along until you release the projectile. Then there are Two stage triggers. Two stage is Rekord and TO6.

In the air systems we have the triggers and the hook up to the rest of the rifle play into the scene; and having a "trigger that breaks like glass" is NOT necessary to achieve ACCURACY.

Therefore, I am saying PCPs all have triggers with a hammer slapping the reservoir of air to get consistency shot to shot to shot until it is time to refill.

The problem with triggering CO2 or Pneumatic or PCP is preservation of air! For consistency and long time performance. Pumping 10 times to get ONE shot from a pump up pneumatic is not my thing anymore; and the triggers attached to these are all substandard to making the most of the first shot.



I resort to air spring rifles for consistent accuracy and longevity and ease of shooting hundreds upon hundreds of rounds simply by cocking the barrel open and reloading,

I have the Daystate Huntsman Regal PCP .177 to stay up to date. It is a very nice .177 PCP and its accuracy is Daystate. It has to be kept around 200 BAR for maximum pellet shooting; but it is incredible at the BENCH REST! 



But if I try to shoot the thing offhand it is TOO LIGHT and does not "balance" offhand as securely as an HW98 or D54 .20 both weighing much more than the super light Daystate Huntsman Regal of today. I don't shoot it because I like stepping out on my deck and cocking a break barrel air springer like the HW50 or HW98 instead WAY more.

The PCP is like a light weight thing with more velocity but not consistency after 250 shots at a sitting or offhand shooting.

All PCP and precompressed air mechanisms DROP velocity after a wavering "sweet" zone where 1 to 5 pellets may make the same exact trajectory.

In the springer you avoid the hype and concentrate on proper shooting and reloading techniques in the field. In the field you have to improvise with whatever you have--it is not going to be your sandbagged concrete bench rest holes in the field. You will wiggle and have to deal with it.

The stand up position is always the teller. Do NOT use a lightweight PCP in a stand up position in favor of an HW98.

Get the 98 and all is over in the way of air and problems with air in a consistent and long lasting rifle.

 

[thumper]

"Unless you have a Rekord Trigger or Diana TO6 trigger it isn't possible to shoot accurately time after time."

Complete nonsense! FWB, Diana, Anschutz to name a few all have match guns that have incredible triggers and have been used in Olympic and world class events to great effect.

The SW CO2 .22 pistol made in the 1970's could shoot high and low power with single shot loading. In "high power" it would go 450 fps at the muzzle and that pistol would be GREAT for 39 shots of .22 Pellets I always loaded back into the original SW .22 Pellet Can that had 200 rounds by Smith and Wesson instead of HN or JSB or whoever.

Those original pellets were followed by Crossman .22s while I shot the pistol modeled after the SW41 Match Pistol, the SW 78 G in .22 using 12.5gr cartridges.

The trigger on the 78G was "creepy" and you didn't know exactly when it would release except through the amount of creep to release the air. I realized it was a great handgun using CO2 with creep in the trigger.

If you have a rifle or handgun that has creep it means the time you start pulling slides along until you release the projectile. Then there are Two stage triggers. Two stage is Rekord and TO6.

In the air systems we have the triggers and the hook up to the rest of the rifle play into the scene; and having a "trigger that breaks like glass" is NOT necessary to achieve ACCURACY.

Therefore, I am saying PCPs all have triggers with a hammer slapping the reservoir of air to get consistency shot to shot to shot until it is time to refill.

The problem with triggering CO2 or Pneumatic or PCP is preservation of air! For consistency and long time performance. Pumping 10 times to get ONE shot from a pump up pneumatic is not my thing anymore; and the triggers attached to these are all substandard to making the most of the first shot.



I resort to air spring rifles for consistent accuracy and longevity and ease of shooting hundreds upon hundreds of rounds simply by cocking the barrel open and reloading,

I have the Daystate Huntsman Regal PCP .177 to stay up to date. It is a very nice .177 PCP and its accuracy is Daystate. It has to be kept around 200 BAR for maximum pellet shooting; but it is incredible at the BENCH REST! 



But if I try to shoot the thing offhand it is TOO LIGHT and does not "balance" offhand as securely as an HW98 or D54 .20 both weighing much more than the super light Daystate Huntsman Regal of today. I don't shoot it because I like stepping out on my deck and cocking a break barrel air springer like the HW50 or HW98 instead WAY more.

The PCP is like a light weight thing with more velocity but not consistency after 250 shots at a sitting or offhand shooting.

All PCP and precompressed air mechanisms DROP velocity after a wavering "sweet" zone where 1 to 5 pellets may make the same exact trajectory.

In the springer you avoid the hype and concentrate on proper shooting and reloading techniques in the field. In the field you have to improvise with whatever you have--it is not going to be your sandbagged concrete bench rest holes in the field. You will wiggle and have to deal with it.

The stand up position is always the teller. Do NOT use a lightweight PCP in a stand up position in favor of an HW98.

Get the 98 and all is over in the way of air and problems with air in a consistent and long lasting rifle.

What does any of that have to do with the post you quoted? 

Senseless babbling. 

 

[Fischer]

"Unless you have a Rekord Trigger or Diana TO6 trigger it isn't possible to shoot accurately time after time."

Complete nonsense! FWB, Diana, Anschutz to name a few all have match guns that have incredible triggers and have been used in Olympic and world class events to great effect.

The SW CO2 .22 pistol made in the 1970's could shoot high and low power with single shot loading. In "high power" it would go 450 fps at the muzzle and that pistol would be GREAT for 39 shots of .22 Pellets I always loaded back into the original SW .22 Pellet Can that had 200 rounds by Smith and Wesson instead of HN or JSB or whoever.

Those original pellets were followed by Crossman .22s while I shot the pistol modeled after the SW41 Match Pistol, the SW 78 G in .22 using 12.5gr cartridges.

The trigger on the 78G was "creepy" and you didn't know exactly when it would release except through the amount of creep to release the air. I realized it was a great handgun using CO2 with creep in the trigger.

If you have a rifle or handgun that has creep it means the time you start pulling slides along until you release the projectile. Then there are Two stage triggers. Two stage is Rekord and TO6.

In the air systems we have the triggers and the hook up to the rest of the rifle play into the scene; and having a "trigger that breaks like glass" is NOT necessary to achieve ACCURACY.

Therefore, I am saying PCPs all have triggers with a hammer slapping the reservoir of air to get consistency shot to shot to shot until it is time to refill.

The problem with triggering CO2 or Pneumatic or PCP is preservation of air! For consistency and long time performance. Pumping 10 times to get ONE shot from a pump up pneumatic is not my thing anymore; and the triggers attached to these are all substandard to making the most of the first shot.



I resort to air spring rifles for consistent accuracy and longevity and ease of shooting hundreds upon hundreds of rounds simply by cocking the barrel open and reloading,

I have the Daystate Huntsman Regal PCP .177 to stay up to date. It is a very nice .177 PCP and its accuracy is Daystate. It has to be kept around 200 BAR for maximum pellet shooting; but it is incredible at the BENCH REST! 



But if I try to shoot the thing offhand it is TOO LIGHT and does not "balance" offhand as securely as an HW98 or D54 .20 both weighing much more than the super light Daystate Huntsman Regal of today. I don't shoot it because I like stepping out on my deck and cocking a break barrel air springer like the HW50 or HW98 instead WAY more.

The PCP is like a light weight thing with more velocity but not consistency after 250 shots at a sitting or offhand shooting.

All PCP and precompressed air mechanisms DROP velocity after a wavering "sweet" zone where 1 to 5 pellets may make the same exact trajectory.

In the springer you avoid the hype and concentrate on proper shooting and reloading techniques in the field. In the field you have to improvise with whatever you have--it is not going to be your sandbagged concrete bench rest holes in the field. You will wiggle and have to deal with it.

The stand up position is always the teller. Do NOT use a lightweight PCP in a stand up position in favor of an HW98.

Get the 98 and all is over in the way of air and problems with air in a consistent and long lasting rifle.

What does any of that have to do with the post you quoted? 

Senseless babbling.

No. Trigger mech and PCP v Spring Air are different.

The PCP will lose pressure after each shot. The trigger mechanism will be designed to release a hammer that has to rebound. Ergo Daystate "Hammer System" like a sling shot with equal rebound characteristics versus WHAT pcp are you talking about? The Hammer in the PCP is the key. Is it recoilless and non-rebounding? Daystate has the patent for the system in a PCP that works to the best and the trigger is NOT the same as pulling the trigger on the AIR SPRINGER HW98 or a D54 Recoilless.

 

[thumper]

"Unless you have a Rekord Trigger or Diana TO6 trigger it isn't possible to shoot accurately time after time."

Complete nonsense! FWB, Diana, Anschutz to name a few all have match guns that have incredible triggers and have been used in Olympic and world class events to great effect.

The SW CO2 .22 pistol made in the 1970's could shoot high and low power with single shot loading. In "high power" it would go 450 fps at the muzzle and that pistol would be GREAT for 39 shots of .22 Pellets I always loaded back into the original SW .22 Pellet Can that had 200 rounds by Smith and Wesson instead of HN or JSB or whoever.

Those original pellets were followed by Crossman .22s while I shot the pistol modeled after the SW41 Match Pistol, the SW 78 G in .22 using 12.5gr cartridges.

The trigger on the 78G was "creepy" and you didn't know exactly when it would release except through the amount of creep to release the air. I realized it was a great handgun using CO2 with creep in the trigger.

If you have a rifle or handgun that has creep it means the time you start pulling slides along until you release the projectile. Then there are Two stage triggers. Two stage is Rekord and TO6.

In the air systems we have the triggers and the hook up to the rest of the rifle play into the scene; and having a "trigger that breaks like glass" is NOT necessary to achieve ACCURACY.

Therefore, I am saying PCPs all have triggers with a hammer slapping the reservoir of air to get consistency shot to shot to shot until it is time to refill.

The problem with triggering CO2 or Pneumatic or PCP is preservation of air! For consistency and long time performance. Pumping 10 times to get ONE shot from a pump up pneumatic is not my thing anymore; and the triggers attached to these are all substandard to making the most of the first shot.



I resort to air spring rifles for consistent accuracy and longevity and ease of shooting hundreds upon hundreds of rounds simply by cocking the barrel open and reloading,

I have the Daystate Huntsman Regal PCP .177 to stay up to date. It is a very nice .177 PCP and its accuracy is Daystate. It has to be kept around 200 BAR for maximum pellet shooting; but it is incredible at the BENCH REST! 



But if I try to shoot the thing offhand it is TOO LIGHT and does not "balance" offhand as securely as an HW98 or D54 .20 both weighing much more than the super light Daystate Huntsman Regal of today. I don't shoot it because I like stepping out on my deck and cocking a break barrel air springer like the HW50 or HW98 instead WAY more.

The PCP is like a light weight thing with more velocity but not consistency after 250 shots at a sitting or offhand shooting.

All PCP and precompressed air mechanisms DROP velocity after a wavering "sweet" zone where 1 to 5 pellets may make the same exact trajectory.

In the springer you avoid the hype and concentrate on proper shooting and reloading techniques in the field. In the field you have to improvise with whatever you have--it is not going to be your sandbagged concrete bench rest holes in the field. You will wiggle and have to deal with it.

The stand up position is always the teller. Do NOT use a lightweight PCP in a stand up position in favor of an HW98.

Get the 98 and all is over in the way of air and problems with air in a consistent and long lasting rifle.

What does any of that have to do with the post you quoted? 

Senseless babbling.

No. Trigger mech and PCP v Spring Air are different.

The PCP will lose pressure after each shot. The trigger mechanism will be designed to release a hammer that has to rebound. Ergo Daystate "Hammer System" like a sling shot with equal rebound characteristics versus WHAT pcp are you talking about? The Hammer in the PCP is the key. Is it recoilless and non-rebounding? Daystate has the patent for the system in a PCP that works to the best and the trigger is NOT the same as pulling the trigger on the AIR SPRINGER HW98 or a D54 Recoilless.

Oh I should have seen that coming.......the Daystate hammer is the best, because NATURALLY that's the one YOU own. Give me a break dude.

Most of the PCPs I own are regulated. They are fired with the same pressure for each shot. Two of them at over 100 shots before coming off the regulator.

And while you are talking out of your ass, what about a Red Wolf by Daystate? It's trigger is an electric button. It doesn't even have a hammer to "rebound".

And how the hell are you figuring in the rebound of a hammer in a PCP, when a spring gun has recoil strong enough to not even be able to watch the pellet in flight? 

You need to start a blog. 

 

[DualMagMike]

absolutely no bearing on the fact there numerous springer triggers on match guns that easily meet or exceed the Rekord or T06 triggers and that they are shot with supreme accuracy shot after shot.