On AoA site the only HW95 that "looks" like a silencer could be fitted is the Field Pro (muzzle weight & scope). Does the muzzle weight screw off and can silencer be fitted? Alternately, on a standard HW95L (lexus) can the front sight be removed and silencer fitted? I don't see a "K" version listed anywhere which I believe is the model that in the past was shown with a silencer. I like the idea of a springer that can sport iron sights, even if without a silencer. I need a "vacation" gun that doesn't require a dive tank or compressor to be tossed into the suitcase! My PCP's are fine at home or where I don't have to travel light. Heading out to rental cabin in mountains is more of a self contained airgun event I think.
HW95L with silencer?
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HW guns from AoA have silencers epoxied to the end of their barrels. You want with silencer GET THE HW HW50 and the HW30 the most expensive $500 ones PERMANENTLY ATTACHED. Also the HW97 has an option for an added on silencer for an extra price. They dont work very well I have the HW97k with added on silencer and both $500 HW50 and HW30 with factory permanent silencers and not much difference in quiet as opposed to non silenced when compared to my non silenced versions side by side loudness tests. ALL SILENCERS Permanently glued ON probably for legality sake. JUST A WILD GUESS... Yo!
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Those muzzle weights are bonded to the barrel. As Yo said, even the 30 & 50, which do come with a silencer, are bonded on. I managed to remove mine (HW30) but in retrospect, I should have let it be. However, now that it’s done, I can choose to use it with or without.
You may be able to get the model with iron sights, remove the front, and install an adapter from DonnyFL. This will in turn allow you to screw in a silencer.
https://donnyfl.com/collections/adapters/products/11mm-12mm-15mm-and-16mm-slide-on-adapter-with-1-2-x-20-unf
You may be able to get the model with iron sights, remove the front, and install an adapter from DonnyFL. This will in turn allow you to screw in a silencer.
https://donnyfl.com/collections/adapters/products/11mm-12mm-15mm-and-16mm-slide-on-adapter-with-1-2-x-20-unf
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Interesting. I suspect barrel weights and silencers help accuracy because they lower the natural frequency of the barrel. Similar to adding wraps on a piano or guitar string. I have an HW30 urban pro from AoA. It's a little long with the silencer, but no too bad. I recently fitted my Primary Arms red dot sight on the HW30. It lowers the overall weight considerably and is a heck of a sight. I find it's better than iron sights because you can use both eyes fully open. I ended up putting the Weihrauch sight back on because you can see where you hit. Whereas iron sights and red dots require a separate telescope or binocular.
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I emailed AOA few weeks ago asking same question / if the HW95L (Field Pro with Barrel weight) can come with Silencer- they told me that only the Standard 95 & the Luxus 95 versions can take Silencer- which they sell - works with open Sights to.
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I wasn't aware of this product. Looks like Krale offers one for the HW30/R7.
Does AoA ever have this in their inventory for the 15mm barrels?
I've been going back and forth about which version of the HW30/R7 to get. Heart says open sights. Brain says eyes are too old and just get one with bonded on moderator.
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The big take away from all your comments is not worth it acoustically anyway. From intense and djna I’m led to believe that the grooves for a front sight are contained within the diameter of the barrel hence ability to take a slip on. HW95L with sights pulls into the lead, probably in .177 or.20.
Old eyes comment:
I’m near sighted and in my 60’s with its attendant presbyopia. I shoot irons and even skeet with my computer glasses which focus to around the front sight. Target is a little soft but all important sight picture is pretty good. I’ve toyed with idea of computer prescription in dominate eye and distant in other.
Yo, the batf definition of silencer would include soda bottles, throw pillows, or anything else If duct taped To a firearm would drop sound 1db for one shot. My guess as to why they mostly ignore silencers designed for air guns is because of paintball - too many kids to arrest.
Old eyes comment:
I’m near sighted and in my 60’s with its attendant presbyopia. I shoot irons and even skeet with my computer glasses which focus to around the front sight. Target is a little soft but all important sight picture is pretty good. I’ve toyed with idea of computer prescription in dominate eye and distant in other.
Yo, the batf definition of silencer would include soda bottles, throw pillows, or anything else If duct taped To a firearm would drop sound 1db for one shot. My guess as to why they mostly ignore silencers designed for air guns is because of paintball - too many kids to arrest.
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If you go to AOA website - go to accessories- then Airgun Silencers - on the last page shows silencer for HW95 / For Standard & Luxus. I got the HW 30 urban Pro On way. I’ll compare it to my regular HW30 / R7 - to see if there’s much of difference in sound. Like said above, silencers aren’t going to be super effective on springer -I Personally wanted it on a HW95 cause I like the way it looks with it & It would make cocking the gun easier.
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A "silencer" on a springer would be a misnomer anyway. Most of the sound from a springer is from the piston slap which you'll hear anyway no matter how quiet the muzzle report is. Besides, I don't understand why there's so much fuss by the BATF about silencers anyway. If a firearm is shooting supersonic projectiles, which the great majority of them do, there's no way the super-sonic crack of the projectile is going to be silenced anyway. Also, when the projectile hits its target, that makes a loud sound too! The BATF is probably more concerned about job security- there' s no reason for them to exist if there isn't anything to regulate. This discussion could get political real quick so I'm stopping here. Its safe to say silencers don't work in the real world the way they do in Hollywood.
BTW: I prefer the term sound moderator.
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I'm curious as to what you find. How long to get your rifle from AoA (time of delivery from time of order)?
I have no idea what to do about scopes and rings for a springer. I have 2 sidewinders laying about (3-12 & 6-24) or could buy something else. Plan on using springer for my "vacation" toy when I need to travel light (no tanks, pumps, compressors). At present having my springer pistol redone for much the same reason. I take it that there is quite a challenge to keep scope mount from traveling on dovetail, not to mention shaking apart scope. One of my old firearms had a Unertl scope with a spring recoil function and wonder why it wouldn't be a good idea for springers, especially if designed to function in both directions.
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HW95k's are readily available in the UK , I have one but had to leave it behind when I moved to California . They don't have open sights , but the silence is quite effective .
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You can get a barrel threaded to accept a silencer for around $40-$50.
I have a HW50 that I had threaded and have a DonnyFL silencer on it.
It definitely quieter, it is quieter to me when shooting, and a lot quieter out in front of the gun.
I have a R9 that I will have the barrel threaded soon, and any I buy in the future will be threaded for silencers.
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I have a HW50 that I had threaded and have a DonnyFL silencer on it.
It definitely quieter, it is quieter to me when shooting, and a lot quieter out in front of the gun.
I have a R9 that I will have the barrel threaded soon, and any I buy in the future will be threaded for silencers.
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You can get a barrel threaded to accept a silencer for around $40-$50.
I have a HW50 that I had threaded and have a DonnyFL silencer on it.
It definitely quieter, it is quieter to me when shooting, and a lot quieter out in front of the gun.
I have a R9 that I will have the barrel threaded soon, and any I buy in the future will be threaded for silencers.
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For somewhere between $80-100 I can buy the gear to thread a barrel which is a little high for 1 barrel but for 2 or more becomes more economic. The method uses what looks somewhat like a hole saw drill bit with caliber specific dowel/pin to center it on the barrel. This gadget reduces the barrel outside diameter to ideal for a 1/2 x 20 threading die. Next piece is another caliber specific barrel pin with a large head threaded 1/2 x 20 and allows the die to screw onto it and then contact the portion of barrel to be threaded. This is to start the die accurately and aligned. All of this is done with a drill for dimensioning hole saw and then die handle for actual threading. Saw it done on youtube. (is it 1/2 x 20 or 28?)
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Mine is 1/2 x 20
Just be cautious, in my experience a threading die doesn't do nearly as good a job as a lathe, but sounds like it should work.
If you do it, please post your results.
Just be cautious, in my experience a threading die doesn't do nearly as good a job as a lathe, but sounds like it should work.
If you do it, please post your results.
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It would definitely have to be aligned somehow to avoid the risk of clipping the baffles. Dies will cut however they are started. If it’s not started straight it will be off. The doo-dad with the thread starter would work but some dies cut sloppy threads. I don’t know what gunsmiths charge to thread a barrel but I would farm it out to gunsmith or local machine shop. A good one will cut precision threads fitted to your moderator. Probably would be less than $100 maybe closer to $50. I don’t know if precision matters most moderators I’ve seen have one size for .177 and .22 with .250”+ size holes in the baffles.
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