Other Hunting/ field use POA change

[Redbeard381]

It seems to me that some airguns are not designed for the field and have noticeable POA change if the barrel or shroud is touched. This is especially true for cheaper guns. It's an issue I have had in the field for guns where they may be sling, pulled up quickly, or leaned up against a tree. I don't have experience with a huge variety of PCP's, but almost every single one I have hunted with needs babied.

What PCP's actually don't have barrel / shroud / tension related POA impact. I'd like to hear from the hunters, not benchrest shooters. Aren't there guns that are actually free floated and firearm level robust?

 

[L.Leon]

Any of these would meet your criteria… simply solid field PCPs.

https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/precharged-pcp/brocock-sniper-xr-.25/

https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/precharged-pcp/brocock-sniper-xr-sahara-performance-with-480cc/

https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/precharged-pcp/brk-pathfinder-w/folding-stock/

Brocock Sniper XR .177: Airguns of Arizona

https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/precharged-pcp/brocock-ranger-xr-gotchu-iguana-package/

 

[wimpanzee]

my two most stable guns are my daystate revere (barrel band) and my taipan mutant. Both are rock solid woods walkers.

 

[elh0102]

IMO, the short answer is no. But some are definitely better than others in this regard. I own 2 with which I would be comfortable in the woods, a Taipan Veteran (first series) and an FX Royle 400. I've had poor luck with liner/sleeve systems and POI changes. Also, long moderators that attach at the muzzle create significant leverage if bumped on the end, making a POI change possible. A solid barrel with a long shank section that is well secured in receiver, and with no moderator is maybe the best recipe for avoiding this problem. The Taipan design with a barrel that attaches with a threaded shank may be the most robust and dependable of all. I am not a fan of barrel bands, but the Taipan scope tower (which attaches to the barrel) uses a number of large machine screws for attachment, and it is very solid.

 

[drsquall]

After trying one mk2 and literally leaned it against a tree and poi shifted. I quit liner systems. I had done everything to make it rigid but still sucked. So real barrels only for me.

 

[JaceSpace1369]

It seems to me that some airguns are not designed for the field and have noticeable POA change if the barrel or shroud is touched. This is especially true for cheaper guns. It's an issue I have had in the field for guns where they may be sling, pulled up quickly, or leaned up against a tree. I don't have experience with a huge variety of PCP's, but almost every single one I have hunted with needs babied.

What PCP's actually don't have barrel / shroud / tension related POA impact. I'd like to hear from the hunters, not benchrest shooters. Aren't there guns that are actually free floated and firearm level robust?

Along with @L.Leon is saying

FX Panthera Hunter Compact
FX Leopard
FX DRSUragan 1, 2, 3
Vulcan 2, 3
Leshiy Classic
Leshiy 2
Taipan vet
Cricket

 

[BBGunn]

Manufacturers need to move away from putting shrouds over barrels. Shrouds came about as a legal way to muffle the report at a time when it was un-clear whether suppressors were legal or not in the US. Now that it's clear, there is no need for a shroud that adds another source to complicate barrel harmonics.

My hunting rifles are steel barrel, no shrouds and my zero is reliable from day-to-day heading into the field. While in the field I carefully lean my rifles against trees, etc and I get no change in POI.

 

[JaceSpace1369]

Manufacturers need to move away from putting shrouds over barrels. Shrouds came about as a legal way to muffle the report at a time when it was un-clear whether suppressors were legal or not in the US. Now that it's clear, there is no need for a shroud that adds another source to complicate barrel harmonics.

My hunting rifles are steel barrel, no shrouds and my zero is reliable from day-to-day heading into the field. While in the field I carefully lean my rifles against trees, etc and I get no change in POI.

I will have to disagree with you, for those who shoot an open areas, sure shooting a shroudless PCP would work just fine. But for those who can only shoot in their backyards, and it needs to be quiet.

I have taken apart my uragans and Vulcan shrouds off, top rail, out everything back on and at 50yds it's only ever been .1 mil off from original POI. I can only grab them by the shroud either carrying them or switching hands and poi will not shift. These companies really just need to secure their barrels better. 1-2 screw pinching the barrel isn't enough, AGT uses 8 large hex screws.

There is no reason we shouldn't be able to have quiet and reliable air guns.

 

[BBGunn]

I will have to disagree with you, for those who shoot an open areas, sure shooting a shroudless PCP would work just fine. But for those who can only shoot in their backyards, and it needs to be quiet.

I have taken apart my uragans and Vulcan shrouds off, top rail, out everything back on and at 50yds it's only ever been .1 mil off from original POI. I can only grab them by the shroud either carrying them or switching hands and poi will not shift. These companies really just need to secure their barrels better. 1-2 screw pinching the barrel isn't enough, AGT uses 8 large hex screws.

There is no reason we shouldn't be able to have quiet and reliable air guns.

Sorry, I didn't explain well enough. I was no advocating shooting unsuppressed. I was saying to ditch the shrouds and thread muzzle end to add a common suppressor. Why add anything on, or over the barrel that may (or may not) create inconsistency to harmonics?

 

[drsquall]

@JaceSpace1369 would know with as much shooting as he does with different guns getting in and out of vehicles for his job of knocking down the iguana population! The AGT series of guns are bulletproof along with taipans. I'm sure he has bumped more than one gun during the day

 

[boscoebrea]

I like shrouds because I dislike looking at skinny barrels, plus I don't like looking at a pickle at the end of the barrel.
Harmonics, yes, there is a small problem; it's not enough to affect the accuracy significantly enough to miss a head shot on any rodent.

 

[JaceSpace1369]

Sorry, I didn't explain well enough. I was no advocating shooting unsuppressed. I was saying to ditch the shrouds and thread muzzle end to add a common suppressor. Why add anything on, or over the barrel that may (or may not) create inconsistency to harmonics?

Your explanation was just fine, my point which I did not succeed in coming clear through with. Is that unshroudedp cps regardless of power even with a can on them are much louder, are usually no longer backyard quiet unless you're out in the country.

If you have a foolproof and secure barrel system you don't really have to worry about other things harmonically and balancing the gun.

For example, I currently have 2 M4's. All FX impacts suffer from low first shotand some suffer from a slow climb for several shots. Neither of mine do the later. Some impacts also suffer from flimsy poi shift if you touch the barrels. I have gone as far as switching mods on my M4 .22 and having the poi remain the same when going back to the first mod. This is likely due to increased tolerances. I also dont have any aftermarket parts on the gun. The more secure of a barrel system you have, the less issues down the line. I still won't carry by the barrel as I know it's not fool prove but it does have improvements, atleast mine done.

I also have a pantherw hunter compact .30 and that's is solid. I have swung that around from one hand to another with zero poi issues the new dynamic block systems are truly robust.