I never hear much about them and they look good plus match up great on specs....you guys tell me . Are they reliable and accurate plus pretty quiet ??
How good are ataman rifles and BP....
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I just received this one last Friday. I am very happy with it !! The rifle is producing tight velocity strings, accuracy has been excellent! Power is great!! Fit and finish is very nice. Trigger is smooth and light. It is quiet with a DonnyFL suppressor on it. I would buy it again.
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I had an M2R Tact and it was a good pellet shooter, accurate and well machined.
The only problem was I'm into shooting heavier slugs than it could handle so I sold it. I don't sell to unsuspecting people and always warn them if any known issues. In this case there are no issues beyond power.
I did like the stock, it was nicely ergonomic and I liked the handling. In fact, I made a tracing of it with plans to use it as a pattern for another rifle I'm restocking (different brand).
The breach had a nice big loading port and the magazine worked but again, only handled pellets.
The only problem was I'm into shooting heavier slugs than it could handle so I sold it. I don't sell to unsuspecting people and always warn them if any known issues. In this case there are no issues beyond power.
I did like the stock, it was nicely ergonomic and I liked the handling. In fact, I made a tracing of it with plans to use it as a pattern for another rifle I'm restocking (different brand).
The breach had a nice big loading port and the magazine worked but again, only handled pellets.
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I've got the Ataman BP-17 in .22 cal.
I don't have thousands of rounds thru it yet, but so far, I'm happy. No problems what-so ever. I just use it for target shooting, freehand in my short indoor "range". On a good day I can empty the magazine within a nickle sized hole. I got one set even smaller one time..! A quarter size with a flyer once in a while happens too, but, taking my time, a nickle size (with heavier pellets) is pretty easy to do.
No firing problems, no trigger problems (though it is a bit light), no feeding problems. My only real complaint is the crummy way the safety was designed.
As for quiet, it was...ok. The way the BP-17 is, is that the big can on the end of the barrel is just a two chamber can. I made some modifications inside and made it quite a bit less noisy. I do not know about the other Ataman silencing designs.
Mike
I don't have thousands of rounds thru it yet, but so far, I'm happy. No problems what-so ever. I just use it for target shooting, freehand in my short indoor "range". On a good day I can empty the magazine within a nickle sized hole. I got one set even smaller one time..! A quarter size with a flyer once in a while happens too, but, taking my time, a nickle size (with heavier pellets) is pretty easy to do.
No firing problems, no trigger problems (though it is a bit light), no feeding problems. My only real complaint is the crummy way the safety was designed.
As for quiet, it was...ok. The way the BP-17 is, is that the big can on the end of the barrel is just a two chamber can. I made some modifications inside and made it quite a bit less noisy. I do not know about the other Ataman silencing designs.
Mike
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Overall they are good. I'll be keeping mine, but there are a few things one should know before purchasing.
1. There is no Ataman USA or anything like that, but Pyramid Air is great! The have many parts you will need and they can do work on it also. I had them fix mine and it was cheap and easy.
2. They are made with a lot of little parts, like little springs, balls, pins (Be carefully taking them apart.)
3. They do not have any MOA tilt to their rails, so therefore, you will need a scope with a lot of elevation or will need to invest in an adjustable scope rings. Plus, the scope sits a little higher (on the M2R bullpup) than I like, with adjustable scope rings, I feel it is a little too high for my liking, so I have to go with low rings and a scope that has huge elevation adjustment range (SWFA with 120moa adjustment) to get it the way I like it.
4. Mine in .357 is very accurate. The .22 from are also very accurate. I heard some of the .30's weren't at a time, and some 25's also had some issues.
5. Mine did not come with any moderator attachments at the end, so you will have to invest in a one for $45 or so (if you buy a .357). Although, I believe that some of the other models have either a shroud, or some baffles, but mine does not. Dana said the bp15's shroud still had some bark to it, so he fitted it with a donnyfl.
6. The power in the models for pellets is are strong, but that makes them inefficient with air. Mine shoots a little too hot for JSB's and had to tune it down. It also actually shoots LIGHT slugs very well but it can't get the power to shoot heavy ones. It will never be a legal bigbore Large Game hunting rifle. Max slug power is around 150fpe or so.
7. Their 300 bar fill is also a blessing in disguise, Sure it is nice to have a gun with that extra capacity, but with an air tank you can only fill it rarely to full capacity. To keep it consistent most people go to only 250. Therefore, for example, if it says 14 for a shot count, only expect 1/2 that or 7 to 8 shots.
8. The regulator in the Atamans are AWESOME! In Mine I get crazy consistent shot strings. All seven shots (a full mag) is less than 10fpe, always! With UN-Sorted pellets! Never seen a better stock regulators in the gun. No need to up grade to a Huma.
9. My Model did not come with a bipod rail, or any other rails (besides the scope rail). It would have killed me to drill a rail into the beautiful wood, so I had to hire someone else to do it.
10. Some people say their price seems to be for the most part a little steep. I think I agree. For $1600, I wish the had the a moderator (or at least an attachment), 20moa rail tilt, forward cocking lever (instead of the back one), and a little less weight (in my opinion) but it is not bad. (The weight is not like a Hatsan or anything.) Edguns are at the same price point and have all these features. I feel there is no reason why they can't be a little cheaper. But, all-in-all they are at a GOOD rating, not Excellent, in my opinion.
Hope this Helps.
1. There is no Ataman USA or anything like that, but Pyramid Air is great! The have many parts you will need and they can do work on it also. I had them fix mine and it was cheap and easy.
2. They are made with a lot of little parts, like little springs, balls, pins (Be carefully taking them apart.)
3. They do not have any MOA tilt to their rails, so therefore, you will need a scope with a lot of elevation or will need to invest in an adjustable scope rings. Plus, the scope sits a little higher (on the M2R bullpup) than I like, with adjustable scope rings, I feel it is a little too high for my liking, so I have to go with low rings and a scope that has huge elevation adjustment range (SWFA with 120moa adjustment) to get it the way I like it.
4. Mine in .357 is very accurate. The .22 from are also very accurate. I heard some of the .30's weren't at a time, and some 25's also had some issues.
5. Mine did not come with any moderator attachments at the end, so you will have to invest in a one for $45 or so (if you buy a .357). Although, I believe that some of the other models have either a shroud, or some baffles, but mine does not. Dana said the bp15's shroud still had some bark to it, so he fitted it with a donnyfl.
6. The power in the models for pellets is are strong, but that makes them inefficient with air. Mine shoots a little too hot for JSB's and had to tune it down. It also actually shoots LIGHT slugs very well but it can't get the power to shoot heavy ones. It will never be a legal bigbore Large Game hunting rifle. Max slug power is around 150fpe or so.
7. Their 300 bar fill is also a blessing in disguise, Sure it is nice to have a gun with that extra capacity, but with an air tank you can only fill it rarely to full capacity. To keep it consistent most people go to only 250. Therefore, for example, if it says 14 for a shot count, only expect 1/2 that or 7 to 8 shots.
8. The regulator in the Atamans are AWESOME! In Mine I get crazy consistent shot strings. All seven shots (a full mag) is less than 10fpe, always! With UN-Sorted pellets! Never seen a better stock regulators in the gun. No need to up grade to a Huma.
9. My Model did not come with a bipod rail, or any other rails (besides the scope rail). It would have killed me to drill a rail into the beautiful wood, so I had to hire someone else to do it.
10. Some people say their price seems to be for the most part a little steep. I think I agree. For $1600, I wish the had the a moderator (or at least an attachment), 20moa rail tilt, forward cocking lever (instead of the back one), and a little less weight (in my opinion) but it is not bad. (The weight is not like a Hatsan or anything.) Edguns are at the same price point and have all these features. I feel there is no reason why they can't be a little cheaper. But, all-in-all they are at a GOOD rating, not Excellent, in my opinion.
Hope this Helps.
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Oh....forgot to hit the trigger. Not the best. Very light single stage. Took me a while to get used to. I can't shoot it with gloves. But, for accuracy it is really good (once you get a feel for it). Until you get a feel for it, you will have a few premature rounds going off because there is not second stage.
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All these high end PCP's shoot well. The issue is, is there a place to fix it when it eventually needs to be serviced? I stick to Edguns and Vulcans because of the outstanding support you get from the dealer and manufacturer. My Vulcan is 5 yrs. Old and Evngy from AGT still will send me free parts if needed. Edgunwest offers great support as well.
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I just received this one last Friday. I am very happy with it !! The rifle is producing tight velocity strings, accuracy has been excellent! Power is great!! Fit and finish is very nice. Trigger is smooth and light. It is quiet with a DonnyFL suppressor on it. I would buy it again.
Loren,
I just got the M2R Bullpup type 2. Which DonnyFL model did you get? Did you have to get an adapter? If so what size adaptor was it? Thanks.
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Eddie, I already had an Emperor so I am using it. I bought this .357 adapter from him.
https://donnyfl.com/products/ataman-m2r-357-m18x1-adapter-a27
https://donnyfl.com/products/ataman-m2r-357-m18x1-adapter-a27
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Hi rwsmike , I've an Ataman MR2 in .22 cal and I'm really satisfied with it. It's definitively a bench rest , heavyweight and very stable to shoot.
Here are pics of the gun and a shoot at 100 yards , using JSB monster redesigned ; it is fitted with an Hawke Sidewinder 6-24X56 and a Weirhauch silencer , which makes it very quiet. The shroud doesn't work very well, so a silencer is needed to make it neighbour friendly.
Here are pics of the gun and a shoot at 100 yards , using JSB monster redesigned ; it is fitted with an Hawke Sidewinder 6-24X56 and a Weirhauch silencer , which makes it very quiet. The shroud doesn't work very well, so a silencer is needed to make it neighbour friendly.
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Sorry , I made a mistake . I used JSB Exact jumbo 18 gr , instead of monster ; these gave me better result at this range . Also with my Cricket Carbine in .25 I got better groups using
JSB King 25 gr instead of King heavy mark II 34 gr.
JSB King 25 gr instead of King heavy mark II 34 gr.
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