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🔘 How do YOU define what HUNTING is?

So if you "hunt" to use the carcass as fertilizer is it still hunting?
Is it? Or, are you simply fertilizing the ground where it dropped?🙄 If actually hunting for use as you state. IMHO, yes it is. Processing for future use means? Simply that… Like killing one animal to use as bait for another targeted animal… You’re not eating the former, but are using it to bag the latter.
 
Thanks, L.Leon, for your further clarification. 👍🏼

Like you say, many of us have been taught what the definition of "Hunting" is — however, it seems like different teachers taught different definitions.


Here is one such definition of the much maligned Wikipedia.
I am certainly not declaring that Wikipedia's definition is the correct one. 😃
My point is only that there are widely recognized definitions that are different from what you were taught. And that's OK. 👍🏼


I added the letters in [brackets]:
Wikipedia's definition of "Hunting":
"Hunting is the human practice of seeking, pursuing, capturing, or killing wildlife or feral animals.
The most common reasons for humans to hunt are:
[a] to exploit the animal's body for meat and useful animal products (fur/hide, bone/tusks, horn/antler, etc.),
(b) for recreation/taxidermy (see trophy hunting),

although it may also be done for non-exploitative reasons such as:
[c] removing predators dangerous to humans or domestic animals (e.g. wolf hunting),
[d] to eliminate pests and nuisance animals
that damage crops/livestock/poultry or spread diseases (see varminting),
[e] for trade/tourism
(see safari), or
[f] for ecological conservation against overpopulation and invasive species."


The letters (a) and (b) square with what you have been taught.
And the following letters (c) through (f) expand the definition of "Hunting" beyond that, and include that "Hunting" is also any of the following:
▪ predator hunting
▪ pesting
▪ safari hunting
▪ population control
▪ invasive species removal




L.Leon, I am certainly not trying to pick a fight, OK! 😃 I'm just trying to understand the definition of "Hunting" — a term we all use, but seem to fill with rather different meanings.... 👍🏼


Cheers,

Matthias 😊
 
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This is the way I see it,

Often talking about hunting in different locations I hear the comment " ....but in YYY nation/state you only have XXX weeks of legal hunting "


My response always is, wrong I can actually hunt 365 days a year but only can kill in those XXX weeks.....for me hunting is the pursuit and getting close to the animal if I cannot finish it with a kill I'm OK
 
For me hunting is the pursuit and getting close to the animal if I cannot finish it with a kill I'm OK


Manny! 😊

That's really outside the box thinking! Very interesting.

➠ "Hunting" in your definition
is THE PURSUIT of a wild animal —
but WITHOUT the intent of KILLING it (though it often happens and is intended).

I can see the appeal of this. 👍🏼 And it would include bird watchers as "Hunters."

Thanks! 👍🏼

Matthias
 
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Manny! 😊

That's really outside the box thinking! Very interesting.

➠ "Hunting" in your definition
is THE PURSUIT of a wild animal —
but WITHOUT the intent of KILLING it (though it often happens and is intended).

I can see the appeal of this. 👍🏼 And it would include bird watchers as "Hunters."

Thanks! 👍🏼

Matthias
Wow! If we keep this up, “hunting” can be simply thinking of a hunt? Or, bird watching? Its not that complicated.

Witness the super lame word salad below… and I quote…

➠ "Hunting" in your definition
is THE PURSUIT of a wild animal —
but WITHOUT the intent of KILLING it (though it often happens and is intended).


This thread has… Jumped the Shark
 
This thread has… Jumped the Shark


😲 I am genuinely surprised that Manny the wild pig hunter par excellence would opt for a definition of "Hunting" that would not necessarily require the intent of killing.


🤔 I started the OP with a base definition of "Hunting" — the lowest common denominator:
I wrote: ↆ
"It seems like we would all agree that we are talking about​
■ "killing wild animals that are free." ■

😞 But I was mistaken, the common denominator is even more broad — or "lame," to use your term, L.Leon 👍🏼.


🤩 ➠ I certainly have gotten a much better understanding of what our community thinks "Hunting" actually is. Thanks to all your contributions.
😊 And I wish more would still give us their opinions.


Matthias
 
I guess its time for one of your spreadsheets on hunting.


Yupp, you bet ya! 😆 It's already in the making.
Because I believe it will be helpful to explain ourselves to others who think differently — and to explain why we think differently — or to understand others in their opinions.


I already made a "spreadsheet" for hunting techniques.... — as that was something totally new to me at the time — and I just wanted to learn about it.
But it became so confusing with all the different options — I finally had to organize it — and I organized it into a.... wait for it.... spreadsheet....!!! 👍🏼 (well, a table of sorts....)

Matthias 😊
 
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I think hunting is just a general term. I am currently at my hunting camp right now in another state. Everyone who comes to my camp hunts the way I do. It’s how we were taught. We are constantly adjusting our tactics that are determined by feed, weather or breeding..The locals here are corn pile or feeder specialists. Without bait, they are helpless, easily frustrated and lose interest. They feel they need that tool. But, that is hunting to them. It’s the best they are capable of. A persons environment can dictate what they consider hunting. Like Elvis the rat. Plenty of us have had pesting, which is an awesome unarguable term, turn into a hunt for a specific critter. You’re not going to say I had to pest extra hard to get Elvis. Master baiters like to defend themselves with weak arguments but it’s pretty simple. It’s either agriculture, part of the ecosystem or bait. A food plot or feeder is not there for any other reason than to kill animals off of. Just like the bowling reference and with many other sports or activities that allow training wheels for participation, we don’t need to fight over who’s right and who’s wrong, we just need to accept there are levels within that activity. A little fella playing T ball is still a little baseball player to me.
 
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Yupp, the OP's question assumes all that, of course:
● All activities you do are legal in the particular jurisdiction* where you happen to go to practice what you define as "Hunting" ✅

● All documents, licenses, and permits valid, paid for, and on your person ✅



➠ The question OP's is for YOUR PERSONAL definition of the activity you feel deserves the label "Hunting." 😊

Matthias



*Every jurisdiction, township, state, country has their own definition of what is legal — so that's not the question. 😊
Whatever, just thought you might have an imagination, or you couldn't tell that WAS my personal definition of hunting?
 
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I think this discussion is interesting, sure its been had a hundred times before, but I do not believe the question of the definition of hunting has been answered in a universally acceptable manor, and I'm sure it never will be, so this is a worthy discussion.

I think that the definition of hunting technically applies to all acts of taking or attempting to take game animals classified as such by game laws.

Pesting is the taking of or attempting to take pest animals.

That is as black and white as I see it in my mind.

All else is gray!

Squirrels can be hunted as game animals (where there is a squirrel season). They can also be pested.

I think that the term hunting can also be used to describe the means and methods applied to pesting or other activities such as bird watching or scouting hunting grounds out of season, but neither of these activities require an active hunting license. I include bird watching because one will see infinitely more success by applying hunting techniques than by tromping around creating a lot of motion and noise.

In a pesting situation where I walk by a an open window in my house, see a starling or Hosp at my bird feeder, grab an airgun leaning in the corner and shoot the bird through the open window, I do not feel that I hunted that pest.

When I set up to eliminate pests in my yard, devoting some time to the activity, using methods such as baiting, stalking, concealing myself from their vision, or other "hunting" techniques (I understand that not all consider baiting to be a hunting technique), I may describe how I went about my business as "hunting" versus the single opportunistic shot in my previous statement.

Shooting pigeons, starlings or other un protected nuisance creatures at some of my farm permissions is still pesting but I feel I went about that pesting in a "hunting" type manor.

Both are still pesting as they are not included in my first hunting def. at the beginning of the post, but some removals require more effort and maybe skill than others.

I could go on but I think this is more than enough from me.

Thanks
 
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🔴 SUMMARY of the discussion so far 🔴

Thanks for all the input — it helps me understand other people better when I get to observe conversations online or in person where stares of unbelief abound, or angry comments fly, even outright condemnations — I hope we can recognize that "Hunting" is not easily defined if we go beyond our very own opinion....



🔶 Vetmx, Motorhead, airgunmike56, and Chukar60 take the term "Hunting" in the most common and general sense — of taking the life of a wild animal (and following all legal and ethical requirements).
This way most people will understand them correctly when they use the term "Hunting."

🔸Vetmx adds helpfully that there are different levels to this activity. Like in sports and many other pursuits.
nervoustrig adds that people like to differentiate levels of "Hunting" difficulty because they want "validation" — or, maybe, perceive of themselves to be better than others(?).



🔶 For L.Leon, and dens228 the kind of animal defines what is "Hunting" and what is not — it must be a "game" animal.
L.Leon adds that the animal meat and/or hide must actually be used in a meaningful way.
🔸JoeRJr and superchikn add that there has to be some kind of effort in the kill, maybe a pursuit.
🔸superchikn and L.Leon mention certain techniques that go into the animal killing process — but insists in the end that the animal type (=game) is decisive.



🔶 ThirdPlace — in honor of his screen name he gets the third entry into this post — has a very interesting stance, and he says it very well:
"Hunting, that is, what I do for the purposes of reconnecting with the natural world and—should I be able to—kill an animal for meat and hide, is the closest thing to a religion that I have."
So, "Hunting" is a philosophy of life or religion, and requires the animals to be "game animals."
Like others, he almost widens his definition that "Hunting" is the arduous pursuit of wild animals.



🔶 For SteveV the definition of "Hunting" depends on the country, state, and township he currently happens to be, in other words: However the local authorities describe legal "Hunting" — that for him is true "Hunting."



🔶 Emu states that "Hunting" requires
•an animal
•and that the animal is both wild and not native to the environment*, and
•that it is pursued with some effort.
*(Emu's example of a farm: rats and squirrels qualify for "Hunting" — but NOT pigeons (as they belong to the farm like the chickens and cows).



🔶 Dr. Kralenstein requires some kind of "Fair Chase" without using the term — since for him using bait disqualifies it from being called "Hunting."
• Vetmx would see using bait just as a different level of hunting — it's "Hunting" — but at an easier level than without bait.



🔶 Nomadic Pirate 66 and Emu widen the definition tremendously: For them "Hunting" does not require the intent of killing. It's just the pursuit of wild animals.



I appreciate all your input and sharing your opiniones! 👍🏼👍🏼

Matthias 😊
 
🔴 What I learned 🔴

From this and other thread on the topic I'm learning the following:


Some of us are strongly influenced by what we have been taught by important people in our lives (father, grandfather, uncle) during formative years of our life.
Others are not.



Some of us like to elevate the particular animal-killing-activity they practice above the activity that others practice. They like to call heir particular acitivity "Hunting" — and deny that term for animal-killing-activities that are less difficult in one or more senses.
Others do not.



For some of us the intent of killing is not in the essential nature of "Hunting."
For others it is.



For all of us it is important to follow legal code in the locality were we "hunt."



For all of us it is important to act ethically.



We all operate with some kind of definition of "Hunting" — whether that definition is consciously thought of, or subconsciously practiced.
Our definitions vary wildly, as wildly as the wild beasts in my Peruvian jungle..... 😊


Thank you, guys, for the discussion! 👍🏼👍🏼

Matthias