Higher End PCP Gun's . Pet Peeve List

how about a list of great guns that still have issues that need dealt with , i could start with my RAW moderator , that whole thing needs scrapped! my rapid looks awful now that i removed a moderator that didnt work very good , want to see a ugly picture ... you should see my now quiet barrel , works great... looks really bad now!

I agree, the offset moderator didn’t work well and the new moderator is just too thick. It looks strange. 

Call Neil Clague. He made me a moderator that is super quiet and looks great. Now that he’s made some, knows he measurements, he can make one without having your gun. Well worth the money. 

The moderator looks long because the tolerances are tight and we wanted a very solid fit so there would be no clipping. It slides back on the barrel pretty far for a very solid connection but it’s about only 2 inches longer than the offset moderator that came on my gun.

Happy Thanksgiving!

Stoti

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All of the points stated are great, I would love to see these manufacturers improvements. However, as long as we keep buying what they are putting out there (in their current state of no case, plastic parts, etc...), why should they change? In their eyes, they are making money and we keep buying. I'd bet that if the entire airgunning community decided to go on strike and not buy any gun from any manufacturer until they correct some of these shortcomings, maybe, just maybe things would change. I'm with everyone here about spending over $1000 for a pellet gun (yeah i know, don't flame me, I'm stating the facts) and getting something that is bound to not completely satisfy me. $1500 for an airgun is a crap ton of money. I've been into airguns for about 30 years, and since getting into PCPs about 15 years ago, prices have steadily gone up, yet it doesn't seem like the value for what you get has. There's a lot of centerfire and rimfire rifles under $1000 that are incredible, not sure why airgun manufacturers can't produce products that are quality and value for the customer. Yes, there are exceptions, not talking about every manufacturer out there, but like I said - we just keep buying what they are making so why should they change? Just banter here, nothing but random ass thoughts running through my head.LOL
 
" There's a lot of centerfire and rimfire rifles under $1000 that are incredible, not sure why airgun manufacturers can't produce products that are quality and value for the customer. "

hitech no truer words my friend



This is exactly why i started this thread, i own Wilson Combat 1911's , Kimber 1911's, Henry Rifles, just to name a few brands of my powder burners that are MUCH less expensive than some of my air guns..

.I do agree that we as buyers should have the power to persuade the manufacturers, but like buying a new Truck we just keep on taking that ass whoopin'

Lets keep this thread going guys, maybe , just maybe manufacturers will take notice...
 
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Hi All,

It has been said already but how about a complete o-ring list? Even if it is only on the factory web site. I applaud those that are good enough to post such found information on this site.

The 20 or 30 MOA scope dovetails. No brainer. Any thing that mounts a scope should come with this design. The bore axis and sight axis have to converge. Anyone ever run out of "down" adjustment :)

This last one is a reach. Don't allow the hammer to be released by the trigger unless the pellet probe is all the way forward. Yes we should always remember to completely chamber a pellet prior to pulling the trigger. I'm likely the only moron on the planet that forgot and I was shooting a bullpup. Ouch. This is a significant change that costs $. I can live without it. 

Ok. Rant off.

With all that said I'm going to drop a mag in the Taipan and enjoy working over the targets in the front yard.

Enjoy,

Nugria
 
" There's a lot of centerfire and rimfire rifles under $1000 that are incredible, not sure why airgun manufacturers can't produce products that are quality and value for the customer. "

hitech no truer words my friend



This is exactly why i started this thread, i own Wilson Combat 1911's , Kimber 1911's, Henry Rifles, just to name a few brands of my powder burners that are MUCH less expensive than some of my air guns..

.I do agree that we as buyers should have the power to persuade the manufacturers, but like buying a new Truck we just keep on taking that ass whoopin'

Lets keep this thread going guys, maybe , just maybe manufacturers will take notice...

Firearms have basically stayed the same for the past 100 years. Very few companies now a days in the firearm world are being progressive/revolutionary in any sense. Since the formula/procedure for creating guns is already set in stone the manufacturing process is exponentially cheaper. If you look at the average price for a firearm in the 1800s and early 1900s most guns cost around 1/4- 1/2 year of an average persons wages. We are still relatively early on in terms of the widespread availability of pcps so it will take a while for prices to drop. Furthermore, you can’t compare a giant industry like firearms (which many people view as protective tools) to a relative niche one like airguns (which they majority of people view as pesting/fun tools). With so much fewer people buying items it becomes harder to provide items for cheaper, such as with economies of scales. However, in the last couple of years I have noticed giant strides in lower end pcps being comparable to higher end ones.
 
" There's a lot of centerfire and rimfire rifles under $1000 that are incredible, not sure why airgun manufacturers can't produce products that are quality and value for the customer. "

hitech no truer words my friend



This is exactly why i started this thread, i own Wilson Combat 1911's , Kimber 1911's, Henry Rifles, just to name a few brands of my powder burners that are MUCH less expensive than some of my air guns..

.I do agree that we as buyers should have the power to persuade the manufacturers, but like buying a new Truck we just keep on taking that ass whoopin'

Lets keep this thread going guys, maybe , just maybe manufacturers will take notice...

...it seems to me that there are already a large number of great rifles on the market for much less than $1000...now so more than ever...

...should I start a list...???...maybe a separate thread...???... .!. :D .!.
 
From the outside looking in, and reading a lot, my pet peeve is that all of these pet peeves are totally valid. I have been looking to move up in quality, not accuracy, for a while now. I follow how everyone's guns are shooting and my mid-value and junkers shoot great. They took work (and a lot of extra money) to get there, but they are accurate. It would be nice to own something that I didn't have to baby, or work on, to get shooting well and dependably at the price paid up front, with no after market parts needed. I have not yet found a gun to justify the expense of what Ed, of Edgun, himself, calls a toy. Everybody's threshold for entertainment dollars spent is different and controlled mostly by the value they perceive they are getting. Try hard enough and you can justify just about anything. Higher end airguns, to justify their being "higher end" should have all, or most, of these peeves figured out. Actually, collectively, everything that gets rightfully complained about in this thread, has been addressed, just never in one platform. Edgun drove over his gun, twice!, with no poi shift. I still haven't seen any of the other builders even attempt to copy that. Relatively cheap Hatsans come with two magazines. FX use to ship in pretty nice cases which means they understood their value at some point and then decided to skip it. Really? Let's go backwards, are guns are getting more expensive, so we are going to ship them in cheaper packaging. Unless FX airguns are being built rugged enough now to be driven over, than that makes no sense. People paying a premium already, certainly, don't want cheaper packaging for it. This shouldn't even be a point for discussion. Even Taipan, which has the least pet peeves of any, still requires you to buy a part from DFL to easily adjust its hammer spring. Let's include everyone. Daystate RW. The battery connection and wires hanging out for changing, is really jv. The stock seems to be weak enough at the grip that they break in shipping. This shouldn't be an issue. Want to adjust your Red Wolf, buy this $400 box. To Daystates credit they fixed this with the Delta Wolf. And let's talk about magazines. I like mine detachable, easy to load, and high shot count if I got the air for it. FX is it. No one else is even trying. Why is that? An Uragan King has a ridiculously beautiful high shot count and tiny capacity magazines. A non-starter. For standard guns, the magazines shouldn't be in the way of the scope either. Then there's the ownership experience to consider. Everybody's posting the same thing; MANUALS, SCHEMATICS, O-RING SIZES! It is one thing to exclude this from a low-end gun, but from a high-end quality piece it is unacceptable to not even have them posted online. Which leads to my last pet peeve which is actually beyond a peeve and is a big problem, -Parts. Parts for expensive guns should ship to the dealers when the guns do, even if that just means new guns to cannabilize until you figure out what goes the most. People putting down big money for long wait tmes shouldn't have to wait longer if something breaks on their premium purchase. It just makes sense, like 20 moa rails, 1/2x20 ends, picatinny instead of dovetail makes sense, but we still have to mention it and ask about it, in the premium realm. That makes no sense. At the moment, all these points considered, a used Veteran or R5M tops my list, but so much is changing so quickly who knows? I hope that most of these pet peeves get resolved. I do, sooner than later, want to join the ranks of the premium pcp community and it would be nice if they worked all of this out. Everybody's advice is to buy once, cry once, and that is what I want to do. I don't want to have to start my own pet peeve thread after. I really don't enjoy reading about the peeves before hand but maybe something positive will come from it. Who are the manufacturers listening to if not us?
 
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These kinds of posts are so extremely important in our sport. Many of the manufacturers that are being “called out”, sponsor, post or troll these boards. Hopefully, like Joey pointed out above, they’ll listen and take this stuff to heart. Most of these complaints are easy fixes, it’s almost like some of the heads at these companies are a bit out of touch.

Stoti
 
Maybe some manufacturer/make/mdel ought to be included in such post? 

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I've only got Steyr's

  • Case/manuals/maintenance instruction/reliability are all good.

Only things that kind-of-bugs me is the $ of extra magazines, or why caliber specific magazines are not interchangeable between models... In the big scheme of things, I guess it's not such a big deal. 


 
I think most of the detractors have been mentioned but one of mine is the lame "JUST ONE MOUNTING SCREW/BOLT" holding the action to a stock.

Do two mounting bolts!

Next highest on my list is using a barrel fastening system like firearms, maybe a threaded barrel with a barrel nut system, or at least a clamp style system like Thomas and USFT uses.

I like high cap mags as well but not a fan of the silly way FX uses to hold mags in the Impact via the SideShot. 

The future is the ARCA Swiss bipod mounting system so the bipod is easily moved back and forth then locked in the optimal place quickly. This should be machined into a chassis already, or for a stock there should be a T slot rail so ARCA, Picatinny, or a bipod stud can be fastened to it.