In a pellet, I think you're hard pressed to find one that penetrates more than the Eun Jins. They are hard and heavy. I think you should try the domed version to see if fly better out of your Armada.
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High Penetration ammo for .25?
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Yes the H&Ns and Benjamins will penetrate a car door where the JSBs will just spatter put a dent and knock some paint off
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The aforementioned 28gr Benji Domes would be my suggestion as well. When cleaning out FCs from the property had several pass-throughs, so sounds like suitable to your needs.
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I have had Benjamin domes have go through 2" Hemlock staging planks at 20 yards, like they weren't even there, and that was only at 815fps mv. At 875fps they blow through the 2x4 target stand at 55 yards. That's pretty good pokey stabby!
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Hey Jonny,
hope your hunt went well! I really enjoyed your projectile requirements and quarry description ("more pokey pokey stabby power" and "turbo-waddle" really communicated well).
Maybe I hunt in a different part of the world, but could you help me understand how hunting ducks is a "touchy subject"?
Happy hunting!
Matthias
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I am astounded that I never noticed that ALL slugs other than the big bores are hollow points? (don't have a good small caliber slug gun myself, all pellets so far)
Considering how many (perhaps most?) are using slugs for long range targets, paper and steel,,. it boggles the mind! How much more accuracy and range would one be able to eek out of their slug rig with a proper spitzer tip?
As this thread indicates, even for hunting, in some applications you want more penetration than expansion, or even an exit wound.
Considering how many (perhaps most?) are using slugs for long range targets, paper and steel,,. it boggles the mind! How much more accuracy and range would one be able to eek out of their slug rig with a proper spitzer tip?
As this thread indicates, even for hunting, in some applications you want more penetration than expansion, or even an exit wound.
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@JungleShooter
Here in the States there are federal laws that dictate weapon and projectile type for waterfowl. Specifically shotguns with non toxic shot for migratory waterfowl are required. No rifles, no airguns, no lead. Muscovy ducks are non migratory waterfowl that those federal laws would not apply to but many don't/can't tell the difference.
Here in the States there are federal laws that dictate weapon and projectile type for waterfowl. Specifically shotguns with non toxic shot for migratory waterfowl are required. No rifles, no airguns, no lead. Muscovy ducks are non migratory waterfowl that those federal laws would not apply to but many don't/can't tell the difference.
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Hal4son,
thank you for enlightening me.
Yeah, this non-lead craze doesn't seem to have hit South America yet. (South California is a different story, though....)
Matthias
thank you for enlightening me.
Yeah, this non-lead craze doesn't seem to have hit South America yet. (South California is a different story, though....)
Matthias
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Hey Jonny,
hope your hunt went well! I really enjoyed your projectile requirements and quarry description ("more pokey pokey stabby power" and "turbo-waddle" really communicated well).
Maybe I hunt in a different part of the world, but could you help me understand how hunting ducks is a "touchy subject"?
Happy hunting!
Matthias
Hi Mattias,
It’s for all the things Hal4son mentioned, and a few other factors.
1. Muscovy ducks are common in public parks, particularly ones with ponds. Calling them “non-migratory” is an understatement - it seems they never leave the pond they choose to live in. So here in Texas, they’re a common park animal, they grow comfortable around people, kids feed them, etc. Some people keep them as “pets” while others raise them as livestock.
2. Going to a suburban neighborhood at night with a rifle to shoot all their ducks is - for obvious reasons - a situation with real potential to get out of hand. Shooting a tuned-up PCP rifle in very close proximity to homes is risky enough as it is, let alone if someone looks out the window to see someone with a rifle and flashlight gunning down the ducks in their pond. It is not the type of operation that gets clearance by local governing authorities very often. Rightfully so, because we still had to deal with a few idiots who wanted to observe too closely. I’m truly surprised no idiots walked in front my rifle like “hiiii what ya doin???”
It’s a whole other world when you’re shooting next to people’s houses. Shot placement counts, and people get curious, and to top it off, for all the reasons Hal mentioned, they are quick to call police and report a shooter and/or the fact it’s ducks.
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I think the majority of the slug market probably belongs to people who hunt / cull, and that higher BC and accuracy is worth the money to get better terminal ballistics at long ranges.
I know I can see a night and day difference between pellets and slugs when shooting pests, and I’m rarely more than 15-20 yards away. That’s why I use slugs - they seem to yield a more humane result.
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Jonny,
I read your post several times — you produced a wide grin on my face.
Very funny. Worth quoting again....!Thanks!
Matthias
PS: Sign my up for your next duck shoot. I'll provide the ammo and pizza.
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The NSA ammo isn't too big. The alloy blend that Nick needs to use for successful automation in manufacturing lends the slugs to being harder than his competitors. This makes it difficult to seat them in the breech sometimes. I'm assuming the Armada utilizes a Lothar-Walther barrel with a twist rate of 1:17.7 . This has proven to be a good barrel for pellets, but with the slower twist and the choke, it's very difficult to find a slug it likes. After hearing your story, I think the Predator Polymags or the H&N Hornets are the best tool for the job. They're not a super long range pellet, but the nossler tips provide deep penetration and the soft lead provides excellent expansion after penetrating.
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I just started using NSA slugs,29 grain. 'THEY ARE NASTY" This was at 65 yards and i have 25 caliber Avenger.
that is steel plate not tin.
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Not sure if it’s LW or Green Mountain. The rifling has 10 lands and grooves, and that’s about all I can tell.
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I’ll second the Benjamin domes, in my experience anything Crosman is a hard and penetrating pellet. I kill tree rats out to 45 yard with body shots using 22 cphp in a Prod only running 660 fps.
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There are a few aerodynamic reasons for this as I understand it. First is that for slugs and bullets, blunt nose or hollowpoint designs are the best shape at subsonic velocities. The second is that moving weight bias to the rear helps with stability. Combining those two together makes hollowpoints a logical choice.
This was a fun read and thought experiment since all the heaviest projectiles are hollowpoints (slugs). I like the Benjamin dome and Baracuda options.
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