help me choose

Hi everyone. I am new to pcp shooting. I want to buy a rifle and cannot decide. Where I live i have just a few options. I would like something with good power and with wich i can shoot at least 50 yards.. hopefully more. Looking to do some target shooting as well as deal with some pests. I do not know the quality of these brands and I do not plan on working on them or do modifications. I like the Sumatra for the power, the nemesis for the looks and the P15 for the price.

I can choose between the following.

1. Kral nemesis .22.

2. Kral pu.cher breaker marine.

3. Umarex Gauntlet .22.

4. Walther Rotex rm8 .22.

5. SPA Artemis P15 .22.

6. Benjamin Marauder .22.

7. Samyang Sumatra 2500 .22.

can anyone make a suggestion? I have quite long arms which make me doubt the P15 as it might be too small me to hold. I have watched so many reviews but still do not know which of them are good and will last. 


 
FX Streamline.

Mine is all factory and has been going strong for a full year of farm pest control and small game hunting.

920fps w/JSB 15.89gr pellets with ES of 25 to this day. Superb trigger and super smooth cocking.

Can be hand pumped....I did that with it for 3 months. Likes JSB pellets. Capable of 100+ yd shots and will do 50yd shots all day long.

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https://youtu.be/NvnGfV4lWIU


 
I can speak to the Marauder. Excellent platform. I've had one for over 5 years and love it as an entry level gun. Kral's get excellent reviews, but if you are looking at the bullpup versions (and this holds true for all bullpups with rear cocking), I really don't like the rear cocking. Personal preference there.

I would avoid the Gauntlet. Too many stories about how it's got great potential, but needs a LOT OF WORK to get there. You might get lucky, but for a first PCP, get one with a good track record. Known for crappy trigger out of the box, really rough bolt, etc. Trigger can be adjusted, bolt polished, but who wants a project gun new out of the box?

If you can spring for an FX, the Streamline is a fantastic gun. I'd avoid the newer Dreamline for a year or so, until FX works the bugs out. Just standard for me, I'm a late adopter. The Streamline is a proven platform.

Back to the Marauder - it's got a couple things no one else at that price point has, and lacks one thing.

The Marauder is adjustable, so if you want to shoot Crosman 14.3 grain pellets at 900fps, you can adjust the gun to make that happen. If you want to shoot a .22 with the 25 grain JSB's so it has the hitting power of a .25 caliber, you can adjust the gun to do that. If you want to shoot the 18.3 grain JSB's at 830fps, you can do that. As you gain experience, you may want to add a regulator, and those are available after market. I just put one in that cost $69 from Lithuania and it works fantastically so far.

It does lack a regulator, but I haven't found that to be a problem. I got 30 shots without a regulator with a small enough differential that it was acceptable. I added the regulator just to see what it could do. Still have tuning to do with the reg, to make the gun as efficient as possible.

The Marauder also has a nice adjustable trigger. It's adjusted well out of the box, so no adjustments needed, but the adjustments are there if you want a lighter trigger. Quiet, sort of sets the standard for back yard friendly. Rotary magazine that's the foundation design for most rotaries out there. The new barrels from Crosman are extremely accurate. Mine is 5 years old, stock barrel, and gets 1.5 inch groups at 75 yards, so for the price, it's accurate.

My main complaints are that it is a long gun at 42 inches, and when you cock the gun, the bolt is compressing a 10 pound spring, so the bolt pull is stiff, but it is smooth. Maintenance is a snap. I just replaced all the O-Rings and it took about 20 minutes. Just a few rings make the whole gun go. The Marauder is a nice simple design.

Parts - If you need parts, at least my experience with Crossman is that I called, ordered, and they shipped within a day or so. Where you are not in the US, do check for suppliers. Never know when you'll need a part. I have several Crosman guns, along with an FX Impact. Either company really backs their products.

From your profile, looks like you are in South Africa, so do check local laws. From watching Matt Dubber, it seems a .22 won't be a problem, but do check as I am in the US with completely different rules and regulations.

Good luck on your purchase. Except for the Gauntlet, I don't think there's a bad choice on the list. The Gauntlet is an excellent design, but poor execution at this point. (just my opinion)


 
From the list You gave and trying to get the most bang for the buck, I would be inclined to go with the Marauder.

It's stealthy quiet,has a Great trigger,is fully adjustable,has a Ton of aftermarket support and will do everything you outlined.

If you weren't opposed to "tinkering", I would suggest the Gauntlet. It has an INCREDIBLE amount of potential! (Bigger bottle,regulator tweaks ect.) The trigger can be made to be Very Good...and its Accurate!

The Kral PB's are a bit of a diamond in the rough,as well. Incredibly accurate,Great shot count/consistency,short and handy plus they can be upgraded to be a (Troy) Hammer! I Love mine!!

I have no experience with the other candidates.

Btw,AEAC has an impressive review on the Hatsan Flashpup. Good price though not on your list so I'm just tossing that out there. 

Hope this gives you some insight. Do us a favor and let us know whatcha decided on and how you like it.

Mike
 
+1 for the Marauder. 

I have had mine a year and love it. The trigger is super nice. It's also the only one on your list that can be set up for a lefty. The stock is also a full size rifflee stock if you had to increase LOP you can easily add a slip over butt pad. The MRods shoot the crosman premieres very well and that ammo is inexpensive and easy to come by. You can order one from the crosman custom shop with a weaver rail reciver, option of regulator and they have a couple of stocks to choose from. Wood or synthetic. They have a few camo patterns for the synthetic stock. 
 
I wish that I could afford it, but it is a bit expensive and not available where I am. I like the look of the Kral bullpups, but I have read that some people have some problems with Kral problems.. i do not not know if Kral fixed the issues, bit I like the idea of a bullpup. We have dense vegetation on the farm and a bullpup sounds like a good idead for moving around in it. I am just worried about products that might hqve some fundamental problems. No companies/people around here who can work on rifles.

If it was just the rifle i had to buy, i would certainly go for the fx, but i have to get a scope and pump and perhaps silencer too. It all adds up and i know that one should spend as much as possible on the rifle itself, but i have to set a limit on my budget.

I do not really like shooting animals, but the birds are killing my vineyards, and we are losing thousands, so one could make the case for an expensive rifle, but if i can make a difference with i more affordable rifle then i could justify getting a better one.

Thank you for the info... it is going to make me think even more....
 
Thank you all for the advice... i have been looking for over a month for a rifle and only this morning I found a place that sells the Marauder. I also seems that some reviewers use the Marauder as the gold standard. I am a tall-ish guys at 6 foot 2 and have long arms, and i have picked up to bullpups which seemed a bit uncomfortable as they were too short in my opinion.. i do not know if it would be different when kneeling or lying down... I just want something with a good track record. The economy here in South Africa makes things quite expensive so most of these rifles are rather expensive so I just do not want to spend money on something which turns out to be a mistake...

If i have some good results with a rifle in dealing with the birds which are destroying our vineyards, then I could definately get a better rifle.

P.s. this is a very friendly and helpful forum... tried others and had no responses.... thanx to all and please feel free to add comments.

Also, just a quick question on scopes... do I need a specific scope for these pcp's? I currently only have a Gamo cfx springer and the first scope I had on it failed soon after purchase. The shops said it was due to the recoil and I had to buy a more expensive BSA scope.. It is slow in loading and i am having trouble zeroing the scope... even asked a pro shooter to help and it still is not accurate... it is time to get a pcp.
 
No special scope required for a PCP.

Important though is decent reticle.....like a mil-dot reticle. This will help in holding for elevation and wind should you need to.

Hawke has some nice scopes that won't break the budget.

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You picked a winner for your stated needs. Only thing to note is that the reticle is not illuminated...that means that in low-light situations your reticle will tend to fade into dark spaces or shadows. Not a problem if you intend to shoot in full light (daytime or indoor lighting) or you set yourself up with an external light for nighttime or darkened indoor/barn shooting. The PCPs you have on your list, and the Marauder for sure (I have one - a terrific, no-nonsense gun), have no significant recoil to damage scopes. The "AO" in the description means "Adjustable Objective", also known as adjustable parallax and is a key feature for a capable air rifle that will shoot from 7 yards close to 100 yards or more distant. As Bob_O says, the mil-dot reticle is also a must for pesting and makes long-range plinking a joy as well. I wouldn't buy a scope for an air rifle that didn't feature some form of mil-dot sighting.
 
Kral Nemesis is dual caliber, so you get 25 cal barrel and probe which will give you 47 fpe on high and a 22 cal barrel and probe in which you can get 47 fpe with the 25 grain redesigned pellets. Or you can try other pllet weights and different power levels for whatever you want. It also has a 500cc bottle with 250 bar fill so you get a lot of shots.
 
You picked a winner for your stated needs. Only thing to note is that the reticle is not illuminated...that means that in low-light situations your reticle will tend to fade into dark spaces or shadows. Not a problem if you intend to shoot in full light (daytime or indoor lighting) or you set yourself up with an external light for nighttime or darkened indoor/barn shooting.

Spot on!

Here are a couple of screenshots from my latest outing. This was daytime and shows exactly what lion is talking about. You can see the difference with illumination and without.

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Kral Nemesis is dual caliber, so you get 25 cal barrel and probe which will give you 47 fpe on high and a 22 cal barrel and probe in which you can get 47 fpe with the 25 grain redesigned pellets. Or you can try other pllet weights and different power levels for whatever you want. It also has a 500cc bottle with 250 bar fill so you get a lot of shots.

Unfortunately the OP lives is South Africa where nothing larger than .22 is legal.
 
Hawke makes an excellent scope, and 9x is plenty for most work. I'm glad you found a local place to hold some guns. Oddly, it's almost impossible to find a showroom in the United States with a good selection of high end air guns. AoA and Utah Airguns are about the only major showrooms I'm aware of. I'm sure there are others, but we in the US must buy "Blind" most of the time.

Good luck on the gun, and do keep us posted. You'll love shooting a PCP, no recoil, really smooth shooting. I love shooting both of mine.
 
If your not going to modify could i offer a suggestion. Get a umarex guantlet in 25 cal. U still get 60 good shots and the 25 gets the much needed barrel band to keep poi from changing every single time you touch the barrel and the forarm doesnt press up on the barrel. If u choose 22 cal gauntlet you will need to make/buy a barrel band for it or go insane with rage and kill your own cat. Litterally those are your 2 options
 
Of those on your list, Marauder all the way. It is a proven design and easy to service, with excellent availability of parts and accessories. A bit heavy, but a great value. I hand pump and use mine primarily for hunting. Very effective out to 60-70 yards in .22. 

For about $220, you can buy a custom Jim Gaska hammer forged barrel that is easy to install. Not required by any means, but it did improve accuracy on mine at longer distances. 

Good luck.

R
 
Kral Nemesis is dual caliber, so you get 25 cal barrel and probe which will give you 47 fpe on high and a 22 cal barrel and probe in which you can get 47 fpe with the 25 grain redesigned pellets. Or you can try other pllet weights and different power levels for whatever you want. It also has a 500cc bottle with 250 bar fill so you get a lot of shots.

Unfortunately the OP lives is South Africa where nothing larger than .22 is legal.

Ok he can still use the 25 gr JSB redesigned monsters and get 25 cal power and he can get the 177 cal barrel and probe, so he will still have a dual caliber gun.