Helix Zeroing Question

Greetings, to all.
I have discussed part of this issue in a different thread, but I want to get everything out in a discrete one.
Here’s what happened. Two or three weeks ago I was zeroing my Helix 4-16x44 scope. It was new from Camera Land. I was very tired that Saturday, but I think my recollection is accurate. I took my shots at 25 yards, was on paper satisfactorily, about four inches high and three inches or so to the right. I made both adjustments, but made the vertical adjustment the wrong way (the turret cap with the arrow pointing counterclockwise was off the scope). So, I ended up about seven inches high. Then it started raining and that was that. The following weekend, I believe, I resumed my zeroing efforts. But first, after chatting with a few of you and also contacting Element Optics, I reset the scope to factory zero. (While we are there, Element has responded to me twice for two different reasons, the first was because the top turret cap was so tight I could not unscrew it, so I used a pliers with tape around the business ends, but still scored the cap; they sent me a new cap and turret in decent time. So, my first two experiences with Element were good; I heard otherwise in some thread, so this is helpful data.) The problem this time was that I was about seven inches high instead of about four. Despite some concern, I went ahead and tried to dial down to my POA. But the travel ran out while still two inches high. Okay, so I figured out, again, with AGN assistance and by reading the manual (!!), that the zero stop needed to be removed before zeroing the scope. Apparently this is the reason my total vertical travel was 135 clicks and not about 235, as the Helix advertises 23 MRAD of vertical adjustment (= 235 or so clicks). I will, God willing, get to this on this upcoming weekend. But here is my consternation. Why, if indeed I reset the scope to factory zero, and assuming I did not bump the scope, did it shoot about three inches higher the second time I attempted to zero it? I am going to take the mechanical stop off, and also assume there will be a total of 235 clicks of adjustment, which puts me at around 117 clicks for up and down each, but I have this feeling that something is not right before I start. I don’t want to be so far off the scope’s optical center from the get-go, even if I get to my POA this time. Well, this was a very long thread, so if anyone answers it, I will be happy. Thanks a ton. S7
 
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Looks like you need adjustable scope rings with MOA/incline adjustments. EagleVision, FX No Limit, Burris Signature Z rings, are a few brands to consider. If that doesn't get you zeroed, there's definitely something wrong with your scope.
Thanks, P671. I am going to try to zero the scope today or tomorrow. If a problem persists, I copy on the advice. One more question: Is an initial shot group of seven inches high at 25 yards from a factory zeroed scope too high? I have only had two previous experiences with zeroing scopes, a Hawke Vantage and this Helix. Both the Hawke and the first effort with this Helix were about the same: roughly four inches high at 25 yards.
S7
 
Hey, Folks (esp. P671).
I took the zero stop off the Helix today, and it turns out the total vertical travel was a substantial 275 clicks. The scope is only advertised as having 23 MRAD and a bit which is about 230 clicks (and with the zero stop on I only got about 135 clicks of travel previously.) I am not sure why I go so many more than advertised. Anyway, my first shot at 25 yards was about one and one-half inches high as opposed to about seven inches high with the zero stop on. Things were easy after that.
The problem was not the rings, the scope, or my mounting; it was the zero stop. However, I cannot account for why my first shot to zero the scope before taking the stop off was about four inches high. That’s three different points of impact:
4 inches high from the factory for my first effort;
7 inches high after I tried to restore the factory zero with the zero stop on for my second effort;
1.5 inches high after I reset the factor zero with the zero stop off. I am still a bit uncertain of things, but I have a nicely zeroed scope.
Take care. S7
 
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