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Having some trouble with my .22 FX T12

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Hello everyone. I’m new here, and I found this thread, because I was looking for some info regarding my FX T1 in 22, and its problems.
Now, to the ST barrel and JSB accuracy, here is my experience.I shoot it with different pellets, Gamo magnums (16gr), JSB (26gr), Gamo long range (22gr), Crosmans (14+gr)…and results are really interesting..
The best group of those were with Gamo magnums (16gr)…about 2-3mm (cca 1/10in) at 10m ..and by far the worst with RWS 10gr wadcutters (2 cm and even more – say around an inch).
At the time I’m waiting for JSB heavy’s , since they are about the same weight as Gamo magnums, only of much higher quality. I’ll tell more, when I get them
JSB monsters (26gr) gave me a bit bigger group than 16gr gamos, but not much, (another mm or two…well that is 50% more:) )I belive (and, If I’m wrong – well who cares), “problem” lies in timing. In ST barrel, the pellet hits rifling at the end of barrel (last two inches). Pellet is moving there at the top of its speed, so if ther isn’t much material that rifling could grab to – and wadcutters have enough material only at allready soft skirts – they are just skimmed..
On the other hand, if the barrel is fully rifled, pellet gets grabbed by rifling from speed 0 to full speed, so the “meat” of pellet is less important that used in ST.
Also, if you have really heavy pellets, regardless if they are “fully bodied”, they have a lot more of inertia because of its weight, so they also need more time in rifled part of barrel to give them full rotation…and those two inches at their speed , litteraly don’t cut it :). Besides, heavy pellets usually need higher twist rate, to get properly stabelized… so I guess in case of ST barrels, there is a compromise of speed of pellet and actual rotation that they get becasue od their mass, ws. the material (that lands it self of their mass) that they provide to rifling…
I belive, only real advantage of ST is manufacturing cost.. I think it is cheaper to make precision ST barrel then full rifled precison barrel. Now, how that precision at ST is marketed onwards..that is different thing
So that advantage is only for manufacturer.
 
So, today I tried again shooting some 10 round groups with different pellets, just to confirm what (to my self at least) I stated in previous post.
I shot 10 groups of 10 rounds in each group.
These were the pellets:http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll39/enborut/03032008395_zpsokwk7xlk.jpg and http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll39/enborut/03032008394_zps32amgeaj.jpg


These are pictures taken when i was taking measures of pellet heads
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll39/enborut/03032008393_zpsoz50yy0z.jpg ,
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll39/enborut/03032008391_zpsjio2wq1j.jpg ,
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll39/enborut/03032008390_zpsyp10krts.jpg ,
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll39/enborut/03032008387_zpsl4xad4yg.jpg ,
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll39/enborut/03032008384_zpsnuz0uk6y.jpg ,
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll39/enborut/03032008383_zpsucuziadx.jpg ,
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll39/enborut/03032008382_zpskdshp1st.jpg , 

This is how I got them on the target. Now, I'm not the best shot out there, so that should be taken into account. But, the gun (FX T1 typhoon in .22.) was rested on forarm,( rear against my shoulder) Distance was 12m (13 yards).
After each group I pumped the gun back to 195bar(2828psi), after 10 shots pressure was down to around 170bar (2465 psi), where pellet gets around 32J (23ft-lb) of energy.
I don't know how much I contributet to widen the groups, however I am very dissapointed. JSB performed the best of the bunch (around 2MOA), gamos are poinless, so were RWS.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll39/enborut/03032008401_zpsiowlgk75.jpg ,
Also, If i was taking the best say consecutive 5 -6 shots of the best groups, I could also claim under 1 MOA - in fact for two groups I had hole in hole with best 5 consecutive shots. However 10 shost for group throws much worse picture.
 
I was further testing with pellets that gave me best results (as seen in my previous post), so today I put the gun into vise. My only contact with the gun was finger on the trigger,otherwise i followed same procedure as yesterday...still I got same results as yesterday. 2MOA with 10 shot group at 13 yards. Since I paid dearly for this FX of mine, I am not going to just put it into garbage where it belongs, but boy it sure isn't worth the money. Just to prove myself, i then put the scope from FX to my FWB 602 and shot another group of 10, which was almost half (5mm) of the size of FXs.
This is group of 10 with the FX in vise (literally - I fixed a vise on a table and clamp the gun with it)
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll39/enborut/04032008408_zpskarnfqnl.jpg ,

And this is group of 10 with FWB 602, using scope from FX. Gun was not in vise, but was normally rested on table.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll39/enborut/04032008404_zpszw6zvusl.jpg

Bottom line for me: FX with smoot twist barrels are very ammo sensitive - also not THAT accurate, and as such not worth the money. Or maybe I just bought a lemon..
 
...as a matter of fact, I did. In fact, when I got the gun, o ring was rupterd , and it fired automatic like in rate of minigun or something.. apparetntly it blowed so much air around that was cocking itself.

it was like this

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll39/enborut/21052014361_zpscczdpuxk.jpg

also, I chronied it afterwards, and it is seems ok.. for 50 count shot it had with 22gr pellets from 214m/s to 224 m/s..all from 220 bars to 110 bars
 
About o ring.. so far, when ever  i put some pellets through a chrony, it shows rather consistent readings...about 30fps of deviation at 50 shots in between fillups...and about 3 feet in between adjacent shots, there is a rather "big spot" in between 15th and 50eth shot where are even less than that..I doubt that o ring leeks, still i might change it, just to be sure. However, I think Im gonna change guns role... I'll put iron sights on it, and use it as PCP Mosin :)
Im kind of 6-7 MOA shooter of hand standing - on a good day - , so those extra 2 won't matter that much. If sinchronized properly I might even get tighter groups :) :)
So,I milled these clamps that can be attached on the barrel, for holding iron sights.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll39/enborut/06032008410_zpslrivxir4.jpg

Of cuorse, it's pointless buying that expencive gun and use it like so, but on the other hand.I'm not willing to spend even more money, so it is what it is...
 
Today I have been shooting some more...and as it turned out, I'm an idiot..
So, first my apologies to FX.. FX ST barrels aparently are good barrels..they are a bit (well, a lot) picky about ammo, yes...but groupings that I experienced and write about in previous posts, are something else..it is not fault of the barrel
So, I set a target again at 13 yards... and this are results..
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll39/enborut/10032008413_zpszmp7fdse.jpg

I shot at each dot from 1 to 12... then fill up the reservoar to same preassure..and shot it again - 5 times more in same manner...so all together 12x 6 time..

As you can see, particulary group no. 11 is practicaly one hole...If barrel was faulty, then this pattern could not have been acheved, or would it? I just might need a regulator...
 
Gamo pellets are generally recognized as , well, not the best. Also the JSB is as close to pure ( and therefore soft) lead. Very likely the ST barrels are easier to manufacture while maintain quality. That said nearly all barrels like the pellet they like. You simply can not pick a pellet first then expect any given barrel to like it. The ST barrels are said to have been designed around the use of JSB pellets, most people go with what FX recommends and seem happy, I wonder how well they shoot other pure lead pellets ( wad cutter excluded for many reasons) of similar design?
And yes, if yours is not regulated a regulator will help over the entire fill pressure.

Glad you got the right pellet for your rig.

John
 
Well, today I further explored my yesterdays findings. I have delibertly taken RWS wadcutters, that gave me quite bad groupings of 10 . .around 18mm. But I have shot them in the same manner as those JSBs yesterday - so 12 shots at 12 dots, then refil and in same order 12 more shots . . all together 6 times of 12 shots .... and patteren emerged again...
I figured, if there is really something on that, RWSs would pronounce that even more...and again, as you can see, some groups are much tighter than others.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll39/enborut/11032008414_zpsxc1357ya.jpg
However, I can't see this pattern related to the speed of pellets, as they are all between 270-280m/s..
I will have to repeat this experiment again with chrony for each shot to be really sure about that..but at my previous testing, speed was really consistent for a gun without a regulator...
And that leads me to the reservoar....could it be, that at ceratin preassures its harmonics influence such a drastic change in vibrations? What if I put a small chamber inside reservoar, just in front of valve...big enough only for one shot, with tiny little hole to the rest of reservoar, that would ensure refill of that chamber in much longer time...so the air release from valve would not affect whole reservoar - rather just a tiny portion of it?