Can anyone share info on or if we in the US could have the Hatsan Biltz BP available. The bullpup version has already been offered in Europe for quite some time now. What’s not to love; same features but almost a foot less in length! New hi cap mags ready to dispatch 33 rounds in 30 cal. I really want one!
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Hatsan Blitz BP
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Did you ever find any more info on this ?
I have looked at the blitz alot the only thing I dont like is the length.
I have looked at the blitz alot the only thing I dont like is the length.
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Have you contacted Hatsan USA? I would imagine if there is enough interest they will make them available here in the states.
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I did talk to Hatsan USA and they’ve requested a factory revision to the current Euro version before selling them here. Unfortunately, the rep said she already told me too much when asked for more details on the request. What could the revisions be?
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I personally love the BP. Similar to Labby, the only thing that kept me from getting a Blitz was the length. Plus the fact that the regular Blitz it's rather front-heavy, which is not practical for someone with a bad upper back... like me. The bullpup design is perfect for me in that regard. Most of the weight has shifted to the back.
The first two days or so I did experience some hangups, where the bolt didn't return all the way forward. Not sure if it was the gun itself or the magazines that were stiff, but after a while the problem solved itself. I haven't had a single hangup since and it runs smooth as butter in both semi- and full-auto.
I'm in Europe myself, but I did get mine recently. Perhaps this is the "revised" version as well. How's the stock in the US currently? I've barely seen any videos on YouTube about the BP.
The first two days or so I did experience some hangups, where the bolt didn't return all the way forward. Not sure if it was the gun itself or the magazines that were stiff, but after a while the problem solved itself. I haven't had a single hangup since and it runs smooth as butter in both semi- and full-auto.
I'm in Europe myself, but I did get mine recently. Perhaps this is the "revised" version as well. How's the stock in the US currently? I've barely seen any videos on YouTube about the BP.
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Good to hear! I will definitely be getting a 22 cal BP and maybe a 30 cal as well when they are available in the US at under $800 like you can find the original Blitz for. Not willing to pay more than that for the BP model. A 9mm/35 cal BP Blitz would be fun as well if it had at least a 25 round magazine.
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Oof! A 9 mil Blitz would be an absolute beast. I have the 30 cal BP with 2 extended (33 round) mags and the 3 regular mags that came with the gun. So much fun to shoot! I'm especially impressed with the shot count. I can empty all 5 mags on one fill.
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Currently ( 2 December 2023) the Blitz BP is priced at just a few dollars under $1,200.00 with tax, from a store called "Airguns Europe." Pretty steep, and $300.00 more than the long Blitz here in the USA, and almost $600.00 more than a "Refurbished" one. HatsanUSA was pretty curt, bordering on flat out rudely defensive, when I inquired about it. Hey, I thought they were in business to make a profit, not drive sales across the pond. Does anyone have a list of stores who sell it in Europe, or better yet, if you're actually in Europe, could you steer me to one with perhaps better prices? Yes, I do realize many things are more expensive over there. I was lucky to have been able to spend 3 months in Toulon, France back in 1973 in the US Navy. Met some mighty friendly young ladies over there, got to talk with WW ll resistance veterans, was treated very well!
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HatsanUSA was pretty curt, bordering on flat out rudely defensive, when I inquired about it. They may not be planning to stock it, judging from their interaction with me about it. I've put out a request on the forum here in one of my posts asking for anyone living in Europe to advise me on a good store to buy one from over there..
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I have ordered a few for my store and they should arrive at my distributor this month, the MSRP for the Blitz BP is €1035 or around $1127.
Normal Blitz is priced at €965 which would be around $1050 with todays currency exchange. Had a look at airgunseurope and their price for the BP is €1195 or around $1300, so it'd be around $1400-1500 to get one to the US.
Afaik Hatsan hasn't changed their MSRP prices in years so the US gets a bit better prices as the USD has inflated a bit more than the €uro.
I guess Hatsan USA will receive it sooner or later, when looking at their site they do offer a lot of refurbished rifles, I don't know a single store in the EU that offers that. The Finnish distributor for Hatsan told me that about 1 in 20 rifles (or 5%) have problems but I have no way to confirm this.
I sold my Blitz .25 the other week and it took me a while to get it to work properly, I had to do a bit of tinkering on it to get it to cycle correctly and increase the tension on the magazines. I took it apart to try and figure out how it works and it's quite interesting but has many points of failure, there are several improvements that can be made to improve reliability. I will probably have to tinker with any future Blitzes I receive to make sure they function properly.
As for the build quality you could tell that the manufacturing process focuses more on speed than perfection. You could see the paths the CNC milling bit had taken and the size of it, as you could see it it means (I believe) there are micro defects in the surface, it isn't flat but I couldn't feel it with my finger.
I don't think it matters that much as most of those areas aren't in use and the parts that are will probably wear in as you break in the rifle.
I noticed Hatsan USA now has the Hatsan Harpoon for sale again but they don't ship outside the US. I will call Hatsan next week to see if it's available in the EU or if it's a US exclusive product.
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"I sold my Blitz .25 the other week and it took me a while to get it to work properly, I had to do a bit of tinkering on it to get it to cycle correctly and increase the tension on the magazines. I took it apart to try and figure out how it works and it's quite interesting but has many points of failure, there are several improvements that can be made to improve reliability. I will probably have to tinker with any future Blitzes I receive to make sure they function properly."
Perhaps a page/consolidated list with all the things which can/should be done for improvement might be of benefit ?
At $1400-1500, I'd have to "bite the bullet" to get one in hand in the US from the EU; fixed limited low income here. (disabled veteran.) No luck wishing for any refurbished ones from Europe, so that limits the savings I could have on one.
Thanks for all the good info, MadCow!
Time for me to see if I can find a good source for buying one in the EU; I wonder what country would have the best deal on price AND shipping to California? Shipping costs have gotten high for everything; I was looking at a sleeping bag on eBay, but it was in Florida, and the cost of getting it shipped across country to California was more than $60.00
I passed; they were only asking $29 for the sleeping bag...
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The appeal of the Blitz is the full auto but getting it to actually shoot full auto took me a lot of tinkering.
It would fire 3-4 shots and then stop working because it didn't cycle correctly, the side bolt wouldn't push far enough forward so I would have to push it in gear.
So I removed the side plate to reveal the gears inside and they were all covered in this white thick grease. I thought that perhaps that was the problem so I removed all the white grease and replaced it with regular gun oil. The cycling mechanic became really smooth and felt really nice compared to before but it didn't fix the cycling problem, it made it worse...
So after some googling and youtube videos I had a look at the magazines, many of them had "chew" marks on the red spacers that hold the pellets.
Basically the rifle was cycling faster than the magazine was spinning so the pellet probe would hit the spacers.
In the picture below the ideal pellet probe push would be in the green field and centered on the pellet but if the pellet probe cycles faster than the magazine can spin it might end up like the red circle where it chips the spacer. This causes several problems, it damages the magazine a bit by chewing on the spacers but more importantly it causes the pellet probe to lose speed so it doesn't push the probe into battery. I believe this to be the main cause of probably 90% of Blitz cycling problems.
So to fix this we need to get the magazine to spin faster. In the videos I saw and forum posts I read the recommendation was to drill a second hole in the backside and move the spring hook to the new hole. Pictured spring isn't the one in the magazine but I couldn't find a picture of the actual spring but it looks the same. The hole on the back of the magazine is where one of the ends of the spring is inserted and the other point goes into the red part of the magazine.
I did 2 magazines with a half turn tension but it didn't work so on the 3rd magazine I just spun the red part 1 rotation and lifted it over the stopper, so in other words I increased the spring tension by 1 full rotation. This made the gun work flawlessly.
After thinking about it for a while here is what I believe happened with my gun.
The white thick grease paste isn't just there to grease the rifle but also to have it cycle at a certain speed, because I removed mine and replaced it with regular gun out the mechanic became a lot smoother and was now cycling even faster than before. I confirmed this with the ROF going from 1100 to 1400 shots per minute. Because I caused the rifle to cycle faster, half a turn of the magazine wasn't enough for the next pellet to move into position.
A full rotation of the magazine made it tight enough so it could now rotate quickly enough.
I will be getting Hi-Cap mags with the BPs I've ordered and I'm guessing I will have to tighten them as well, at least if the person who bought my old blitz wants to run high-caps in his rifle.
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Wow, talk about good information, you rock, MadCow!
I just received an email reply from Hatsan tr., the Turkish office; here's what I wrote, and the reply:
Subject (*): Purchase of a Hatsan .30 cal. Blitz BP
Message (*): I was informed by the USA Hatsan customer service they do not stock the Hatsan Blitz BP.
I want to buy a.30 cal. Blitz BP. Please let me know how I would do this.
Thanks in advance!
The Reply:
Dear Mr. Miller
Will contact with him and let you know
Best regards
So, I'll of course let all of you know what the outcome is, but I'm hopeful this just might, as the saying goes, "build a fire under them." As in, get things moving towards the Blitz BP FINALLY
being available here in the good 'ol USA! (As opposed to paying through the nose by having to buy them from overseas, and paying several hundred dollars shipping in addition to the already higher price in the EU.)
Keep yer toes crossed!
(or is that fingers?)
I just received an email reply from Hatsan tr., the Turkish office; here's what I wrote, and the reply:
Subject (*): Purchase of a Hatsan .30 cal. Blitz BP
Message (*): I was informed by the USA Hatsan customer service they do not stock the Hatsan Blitz BP.
I want to buy a.30 cal. Blitz BP. Please let me know how I would do this.
Thanks in advance!
The Reply:
Dear Mr. Miller
Will contact with him and let you know
Best regards
So, I'll of course let all of you know what the outcome is, but I'm hopeful this just might, as the saying goes, "build a fire under them." As in, get things moving towards the Blitz BP FINALLY
being available here in the good 'ol USA! (As opposed to paying through the nose by having to buy them from overseas, and paying several hundred dollars shipping in addition to the already higher price in the EU.)
Keep yer toes crossed!
(or is that fingers?)
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Well, I received a reply about the Blitz BP, but it doesn't look good as far as it ever being sold here in the USA. I recall one of the messages on the Forum from several years ago which said HatsanUSA was trying to get the factory to make some changes to it, but if they had been done we would have it available here in the U.S.
Here's the message I got from Mr. Cecil Bays II, Operations Manager, HatsanUSA Inc. :
" Thank you for your interest in the Blitz BP.
We have tested this model and find it to not be a viable option for import into the USA market.
Due to company policy I can not go into detail as to the reasons we feel that the Blitz BP is not a good fit for the USA market.
There are several models and variations of Hatsan airguns and Escort shotguns we do not import due to various reasons.
We do not special order models that we do not carry due to the need for additional service parts for guns we do not offer.
Another reason is we would have to order case-pack quantities,
which will use warehouse space that could otherwise be used for product that we do sell in the USA.
It would not be financially responsible for us to custom order models we do not stock and do not have the parts to service if necessary.
You can try to find this model from a seller outside of the USA,
but We will not have the parts to service the gun if you have issues, and we do not warranty models we do not distribute.
I hope this answers your questions, but we will be unable to accommodate your request."
Best regards
Cecil Bays II
Operations Manager
HatsanUSA Inc.
So, no joy on that route; I'll have to find a good price on one in Europe.
Anyone know of a place with the best price in Europe?
Here's the message I got from Mr. Cecil Bays II, Operations Manager, HatsanUSA Inc. :
" Thank you for your interest in the Blitz BP.
We have tested this model and find it to not be a viable option for import into the USA market.
Due to company policy I can not go into detail as to the reasons we feel that the Blitz BP is not a good fit for the USA market.
There are several models and variations of Hatsan airguns and Escort shotguns we do not import due to various reasons.
We do not special order models that we do not carry due to the need for additional service parts for guns we do not offer.
Another reason is we would have to order case-pack quantities,
which will use warehouse space that could otherwise be used for product that we do sell in the USA.
It would not be financially responsible for us to custom order models we do not stock and do not have the parts to service if necessary.
You can try to find this model from a seller outside of the USA,
but We will not have the parts to service the gun if you have issues, and we do not warranty models we do not distribute.
I hope this answers your questions, but we will be unable to accommodate your request."
Best regards
Cecil Bays II
Operations Manager
HatsanUSA Inc.
So, no joy on that route; I'll have to find a good price on one in Europe.
Anyone know of a place with the best price in Europe?
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I had a lot of those same problems. I fixed it by using jsb exact pellets. The hatsan pellets I was using caused a lot of vibration and jamming, the JSBs made it at least cycle every time.
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Hmm, I only had access to a single type of pellets back then, H&N Baracuda Hunter.
I now have access to a lot of different types of ammo, I will be trying them in the Blitz BP when I receive it sometime in Jan hopefully.
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