Has anyone tuned a .22 Gen 2 Marauder for JSB Jumbo Heavy 18.3 gr pellets?

I'm looking for a starting point to tune my Marauder. Setup is:
.22 Caliber Gen 2 Marauder

​Current tune gives me 30 shots between 795 FPS and 851 FPS. Looking for 20 to 30 shots on a fill at about 830FPS.
  • Hammer Spring - 4 Turns
  • Striker - 3.25 Turns
  • ​Transfer Port - 2 Turns.
Looking for some suggestions here to improve my tune and get a smaller deviation (want to reduce from 56 FPS Maximum Variation to something smaller.) 

Any thoughts?


 
The transfer port adjustment is a good idea. Opening the port will allow the air to pass through faster. I'm close on a couple of the adjustments. I know the gun likes the 18.3's, but due to losing the tune data I am now trying to recreate / improve where I was. At the old tune, I could expect about 20 shots before the speed dropped below 800 fps. I have a new combination (posted above) getting about 30 shots, so I think the gun is capable of a good solid 30 shot string with the heavies. Just looking to see if anyone else had any experience with the 18.3's. From the sound of it, most people are sticking with the lighter pellets.

I'll try fiddling with the transfer port. Already cut a opening in the stock so I can get to it.

​Probably won't get anything done till next weekend now, gotta get more air and the paintball shop won't be open till later tomorrow afternoon.

Thanks,!
 
The HDD is part of the factory build for Gen 2's. I already have a setup for 14.3 Premier Dome pellets with a 6.25 FPS STD deviation, which is a really flat shot string for an unregulated gun. I'm kind of in the, if it ain't broke, don't fix it, camp.

30 shot string
​Start at 2800 PSI, down to about 1800 PSI
Average speed - 824.83 FPS
minimum - 811
​Maximum - 836
​Max Variation - 25
Std Deviation 6.25

​If anyone is interested, 
Hammer Spring - 1.25 Turns
​Striker - 4 Turns
Transfer Port - 2 Turns

​That already shows capability of a very flat shot string, so I'll leave it alone for now.

Still putting out the call, anyone setup a Marauder for heavier pellets?

​Thanks,
 
Found this while researching how to “tune my Marauder”. As he states it is not a “how to” but rather a what are the components and a starting place. Thought this might be of help to other Marauder shooters. This was written in 2009 most likely for the Gen 1 but will apply to the Gen. 2 model. He has several other posts which go into the start place if you want more information. I thought it was stated concisely and easy to understand. Hope this helps others :ShadowShot:Hello all,I am sure there will come a time when some one will ask, (like I am), 
what is the factory setting for this part of the rifle, or that part?
I have not tried to call or email the factory yet on this. I am not to sure they
would give out the information but I don’t see why they wouldn’t.
I thought it would be a good idea to collect what factory settings
we have found or collected, and pool the information here for reference.I know, for example, the commonly found factory setting for the hammer stroke length,
or the “Hammer Throw” in the .22 cal rifles are maxed out at full throw length. 
IE: (The 1/8 Allen screw adjustment backed counter clockwise all the way out.). 
This controlls how far the hammer travels before striking the valve.This collected information is not intend to be a, “how to”, for tuning your Marauder.
It is only here for restoring your rifle to the original factory set points. You may have lost
yours during tuning or never wrote them down when you started.There are two basic areas of adjustments for the factory 2500psi Fill.
1. Velocity, which is controlled by three areas of adjustment.
(a) Hammer spring preload
(b) Hammer Stroke Length
(C) Valve Metering Screw.2. The trigger assembly.
(a) Trigger Pull
(b) Trigger Position
(c) Trigger StagesIf you would, please be very specific when you post.
I know many things can be said here of safety, how to adjust, what adjustments you have made
and so on. If you will , please post something like, “My .22 or .177 rifle came with the Hammer Stroke Length
turned 2 turns in from it max out position”. We may find that the settings are the same for both rifles. As the information comes in, I will try to keep up with it here
in this main post. Once we have completed collecting the data,
Gene might find the information of some library value.Thanks for your input and help.
ShadowShot Here is how you start:Crosman Marauder Tuning ProcedureTuning your Benjamin PCP with the use of the Hammer Spring Tension Adjuster and Hammer Stroke Adjuster
by Ray and Hans Apelles ~ The “A” Team
Caution: All testing should be done with muzzle pointed in a safe direction and into a safe backstop!!!!
Principles
Preparation:
There are many different ways a PCP may be tuned/adjusted. With the adjustable Hammer Spring Tension and
Adjustable Stroke you have virtually all you need to tune a PCP to your liking.
This Document will give you a brief introduction into adjusting and from there you will need to experiment to get the
performance you desire.
A certain amount of force is required by the hammer to open a valve to achieve a particular velocity with a given pellet.
This can be applied in a variety of ways. At one extreme the hammer can be moved a long distance (stroke) with a low
spring tension. At the other extreme the hammer can be moved a very short distance (stroke) with a very high spring
tension. And there is everything in between. Each method yields a different firing characteristic. It is up to the end user
to decide how he would like the gun adjusted to suit his needs and firing characteristic desires.
A long stroke, low spring pressure setting will give a very light cocking effort and long spring life. As the hammer opens
the valve, the pressure from the reservoir combined with the valve return spring pressure will close the valve. With a light
spring pressure the hammer is likely to be thrown back far enough (and off of the valve stem) that the hammer spring then
gets re-tensioned and the hammer gets thrown forward to hit the valve stem again and expel more air. This can be heard
and sounds as though the gun is burping out air for as many as 3 or 4 burps per shot.
A short stroke, high spring pressure setting will yield a heavy cocking effort and possibly shorter hammer spring life. As
the hammer opens the valve, the pressure from the reservoir combined with the valve return spring pressure will close the
valve. With a heavy hammer spring tension the hammer can’t get thrown back so far (or possibly not even off the valve
stem) as to tighten up the hammer spring and throw the hammer back onto the valve to burp out more air. There is the
small possibility that the valve may also close slower, allowing more air to escape, because of the added hammer spring
tension keeping the hammer against the valve. This method of tuning usually yields a shorter sharper crack at discharge.
This method yields little to no Hammer Bounce.
The best balance between the long stroke low spring tension and the short stroke high spring tension is what is desired.
The following guide will help you achieve a setting that will give you the desired velocity. It will be up to the user to
achieve the balance they desire for an optimal setting. An optimal setting will give the highest efficiency yielding little to
no hammer bounce, reasonable cocking effort and good shot consistency.
It would be a good learning experience to try each method so as to learn the characteristics of each in your particular gun.
Start with the long stroke low hammer tension (which is very similar to the factory setting) and then try the short stroke
high hammer tension method. After learning each you can then find a balance between the two. When finding the
balance, if you can hear any air burp then you should adjust more to a shorter stroke higher hammer tension. You are
looking for that fine balance which can only come from experience. At the end of this document you will find a method for
determining charge pressure and shot count. It is advisable to do each for the 2 different methods so you can see the
difference in shot count and velocity curve which will give you an idea of the efficiency you have achieved in each.
After finding your setting for each method, you can determine that setting by inserting the adjustment wrenches and
counting how many turns to get back to the end stops. An example would be 7 turns in hammer spring, 5 turns in stroke
yields 850 fps with xyz pellet with a 2000 psi charge for 25 shots. Using this method you can always get back to a
particular setting while you are trying different settings.
A) Hammer Stroke Adjustment (HSA): With the gun assembled, adjust the hammer stroke to the longest stroke position.
This is done by inserting the Hammer Stroke Adjustment (HSA) allen wrench through the Hammer Spring Tension
Adjuster (HSTA), through the spring, into the hammer and catching the Hammer Striker. Then turn counter clockwise until
the Striker is to the fully retracted position. This is the start position for your adjustments.
B) Hammer Spring Tension Adjustment (HSTA): With the gun assembled, adjust the Hammer Spring Tension to the least
tension position. This is done by inserting the Hammer Spring Tension Adjustment (HTA) allen wrench into the end plug
and catching the HSTA and turning counter clockwise until the Hammer Spring Tensioner is to the fully retracted position.
This is the start position for your adjustments.
Revised 6/1/2009
C) If it is possible, make an identical replacement of the transfer port but change the ID to .110″ or smaller. It is rare that a
PCP needs a transfer port larger than .110 to achieve 20 ftlbs. If you are trying to significantly reduce the power of (as an
example) the Discovery then you may go smaller yet. As an example, one that we tuned used a .105″ transfer port to get
just below 20 ftlbs. The transfer port in the Discovery is large because it is designed to work with CO2 as well and needs
the larger size for the lower pressure CO2 gas. A Transfer Port that is large enough to give you the velocity you desire
but no more will give you a flatter velocity curve. It is not mandatory that you replace the transfer port but it is beneficial.
In the case of the Marauder, turn the transfer port adjustment all the way in (clockwise) and then turn it out 4 revolutions
(counter clockwise). This is the starting point for the adjustable transfer port which is now all the way open.
1) Set up a chronograph station with the assembled gun on sand bags in front of the chronograph so your readings will be
consistent. The Muzzle should be at least 18 inches from the first sensor to prevent incorrect readings.
2) Have initial adjustments of the PCP set to A, B and C above.
Note: you will initially be tuning for a particular charge range so you will need to charge the gun to the same pressure
each time and every 5 shots or so to maintain pressure during setting. Changes in charge pressure will give you changes
in readings that will confuse the issue. Once the settings are complete then you will determine correct charge pressure
and number of shots for that pressure.
3) Charge gun to a pressure that will be a little above the middle of your desired charge range. Example: If you are
looking to charge to 2000 psi and shoot to 1000 psi then charge to 1600 psi for testing.
4) Turn in (clockwise) the hammer tension until you feel tension on the hammer spring and then turn 1 more revolution in.
5) Chronograph a shot to see where your velocity is.
6) Increase hammer tension 1 turn.
7) Repeat 5 and 6 until your desired velocity is reached.
8 Shorten your hammer stroke 1/2 turn.
9) Chronograph a shot to see where your velocity is.
10) If your velocity stayed the same go to 8. If your velocity decreased go to 6.
11) Keep making adjustments (remember to charge every 5 shots) and chronographing until you are satisfied with the feel
of the shot cycle. This is learned through experience and can not be adequately explained.
4) Cock Hammer.
5) Turn in (clockwise) the hammer tension until you reach full coil bind and can not turn the hammer tension in any further
(gun may fire during this adjustment). Fire gun. Cock the hammer again. If it will not cock then turn hammer tension out
1/2 turn. Cock gun again. Repeat until gun will cock reliably.
6) Turn hammer tension out 2 to 3 turns.
7) Chronograph a shot to see where your velocity is.
8 Shorten your hammer stroke 1/2 turn.
9) Repeat 7 and 8 until your desired velocity is reached.
You may see that as the stroke is decreased the velocity will actually increase. This is a common phenomenon as a more
efficient setting is reached.
Adjustments:
Method 1
Method 2
Revised 6/1/2009
10) Keep making adjustments (remember to charge every 5 shots) and chronographing until you are satisfied with the feel
of the shot cycle and velocity. This is learned through experience and can not be adequately explained.
If your PCP has an Adjustable Transfer Port (as does the Marauder) then you can fine tune the velocity.
1) Turn the adjustment screw in ¼ turn at a time and chronograph a shot.
2) Make another ¼ turn adjustment and chronograph another shot.
Repeat the process until you reach your desired velocity.
During this process you may notice that the PCP gets quieter and blows less air but the velocity doesn’t change much.
This is common as you are achieving a more efficient setting. Your shot count will increase as well.
Another benefit of a PCP with an adjustable transfer port is that you can dramatically flatten a velocity curve by restricting
the transfer port and increasing the energy used to open the valve stem.
You will increase the usable charge pressure band and increase shot count in the process.
You will have to experiment with the settings to achieve this type of balance.
It will not be explained in detail here. It is mentioned here so you can strive to achieve such a balance as you are gaining
experience with the other adjustments.
Fine Tuning Velocity with an Adjustable Transfer Port
Re 
 
NMshooter - Thanks, for the response. I have this one on my hard drive, and have been using it to determine what works best. Excellent procedure.

​My real question is whether someone has the tune for the 18.3 grain pellets already, and if they would share the settings on their Marauder as a starting point. That would eliminate a great deal of my own trial and error. Right now, using procedures similar to what you posted, I've arrived at a tune that gets me 30 shots between about 790 FPS and 860 FPS. Target is to flatten that curve quite a bit with an average of 830-ish feet per second. I'd like to see if I can duplicate the Shot String for the 14.3 Premier Domes with a 6.25 std deviation. That was the best shot curve I've ever gotten. If someone else had already done the work, I could start with their settings and go from there. Just so many variables.

​4 variables don't sound like a lot, but the permutations add up fast. Hammer Tension, Hammer Throw, Transfer Port and tank pressure. If you break up things you can turn by quarters and the tank pressure in 100 PSI increments, that's:
Hammer Spring, I believe 6 rotations max * 4 = 24
​Hammer Striker - 12 rotations * 4 = 48
Transfer Port - 4 rotations * 4 = 26
​Tank Pressure = Figure between 2600 and 3000 PSI in 100 PSI increments = 4

​If I remember high school math, permutations come up to 24*48*26*4= 119,908 possible combinations of settings. That's way too many to brute force, so if someone had already done the work, I could start with their settings and customize for my gun and conditions.

​I guess back to the Chrony next weekend!

Many thanks,
 
"Saltlake58"The regulator is tempting. I've seen several, including one on eBay for the $69, from Lithuania. Very tempting.....
I have the Altaros regulator on order for my 25 caliber marauder. The reason I decided on it was it’s the only one that still allows the gun gauge to show the tank air pressure the other brands show the regulator pressure only by moving the oring on the regulator it can show regulator pressure on gun gauge and after your satisfied with the air pressure adjustment you can easily switch the oring back to the other grove on regulator and then the pressure in tank will show in guage. In the link they have a video on the installation.

http://www.altaros.cz/en/benjamin/5-regulator-benjamin-marauder#/
 
Why are you set on the 18.1 gr. pellets?
I have several .22 pcps. The "magic pellet" is really determine by power. My Falcons at 14 FPE I use the 14.35 gr, my Marauder at 28 FPE I use the 15.89, And my Cricket at 32 FPE I use the 18.1 gr. I do read that the Marauder can shoot the the 18.1 gr but it really needs to be tuned up to shoot over 850 fps and ideally around 880 fps for a flat trajectory. With it being stock you will get the best result with the 14.3 gr pellets as it was design for the 14.3 crosman pellet. If you are set on the 18 gr you may have to order a heavier spring. Check out the Marauder Forum. You may also consider sending it out to a tuner like Alan Zasadny, Motorhead, or Travis. We also have a sponsor Precision Pneumatic Products who is offering a tuning special for the holiday. He used to sell the HUMA regulator.

FYI- I find it unnecessary to know the pressure of my cylinder if I know my shot string. For both my Marauders it's easy, I shoot 4 magazines, then I have to refill. I use the gage on my tank to fill to 3000 psi. I have my own pump so I fill my rifles when I begin a shoot even if I know I did not shoot a full string the time before. Knowing the tank pressure is personal preference. If you don't have your own compressor it might be advantageous to have the gage.
 
My experience with the 14.3 Premier Dome is good out to about 40 or 45 yards. After that the groups really open up. The 18.3's have shown good groupings at 75 yards. I'm experimenting with various brands and weights to determine what pellet works best and what the rifle is really capable of. it's not a 100 yard bench rest gun, but I'm trying to see what I can get out of the gun and at distance, the 18.3's do much better than the 14.3 Premiers.

Eventually, I want to try JSB's newer 25 and 34 grain .22 pellets, but need to get the 18.3's more consistent than I have them now before trying other pellets. I had it tuned once (and lost the settings) to about 830 fps for the 18.3's, but was only getting 20 shots per fill. I now have a tune that gets an average of about 830, but the max deviation is about 65 fps over 30 shots. Way too much and trying to narrow the max deviation. The whole point of the question was to see if anyone had done this before so I could save myself a great deal of headaches. Apparently, I'm in fairly open territory and will need to carry out the experiments myself.

Of course, I got to thinking, the batteries in the chrony are two years old, so maybe a fresh set will give me a better deviation. What do you think? Won't be able to shoot again till Saturday, so I'll find out then.