I’ve been wanting a new air rifle and have been looking at the high end springers a lot but I was just wondering if I could get some feed back on if y’all think it would be better to get a good hand pump friendly pcp instead. I will mostly just be pesting with it.
Hand pump friendly pcp
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Nick, all PCP’s are pump friendly as long as you refill after about 20-30 shots then you are looking at 40-50 pumps to top it off. If you want a small reservoir then look at one that has a 150cc resevoir.
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For the best of both worlds, check out the Aspen Seneca. It is a multi-shot PCP that has a pump built in and a fill probe for tank filling or hand pumping.
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The 12 ft-lb version of the HW110 .177 gets 110-120 shots per fill. I think the .22 is similar.
I forget the reservoir size but I fill with a Benjamin pump and it's not bad at all.
When I take it to the rifle range for longer distance shooting, I don't even bother to bring the pump.
50 shots is typically the most I shoot in one session. I single load, which slows things down a bit. So I can make 2 range trips before pumping again.
YMMV of course. If you typically shoot more, just bring the pump along.
I forget the reservoir size but I fill with a Benjamin pump and it's not bad at all.
When I take it to the rifle range for longer distance shooting, I don't even bother to bring the pump.
50 shots is typically the most I shoot in one session. I single load, which slows things down a bit. So I can make 2 range trips before pumping again.
YMMV of course. If you typically shoot more, just bring the pump along.
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My two cents, look at the pp700sa it’s .22 cal awesome shot count comes with a stock $200ish delivered very accurate out to 40 yards and more and ya won’t break a sweat pumping it up
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My thoughts on this: 1st I want to know what you want out of the rifle? Pesting, tead right over that. Distance? Etc. Generally speaking, I would get a nice Springer that meets your needs and budget. Shoot it, use it, enjoy it. Meanwhile, save up for a PCP. Can still get one you can hand pump, or save a bit more and get a compressor. Depending on what you want.
The Spring gun will always be a back up for the pcp, been there, trust me. They also hone in your shooting.
The Spring gun will always be a back up for the pcp, been there, trust me. They also hone in your shooting.
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Unless you can get a killer deal on a used pcp. Then forget all that and get the pcp first. 
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Being that it’s your first PCP, I would steer clear of Chinaguns and some others. Yes some of them can be made into good guns and some guys get lucky with the built on Wednesday gun. But unless you want to be baptized by fire, do your research and ask questions. I see your question all the time on various forums and one gun always pops up a lot, Gamo Urban. I never owned one and never will, but if I had a friend looking to get into PCP’s and not be traumatized, I would tell him to look at that gun. Of the guns mentioned above, my opinion is Aspen Seneca behemoth, HW 110 awesome, PP700sa great project gun but too big of a gamble for a buy it and shoot it guy.
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I forgot, you will never make a bad decision going with a high end springer. It can sit for six years if your life gets too busy and still be the same gun when you dust it off. No PCP will do that.
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For lighter weight, more accuracy and longer range it's hard to beat a PCP. I have a hard time pumping past about 2 to 2.5Kpsi so pump friendly would probly be one of the Crosman 2K pressure guns like the Discovery or Maximus. Nothing wrong with a decent springer if you are not shooting much over 50 yards.
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I would say it depends on what kinda pests your trying to get rid of. Rabbits, rats, squirrels yea a springer. Coons I have problems getting rid of with any of the springers, consistently. I think you need a pcp for them if your going to shoot them. I have been trapping them, and it’s helping.
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Not sure what kind of pesting you plan on doing and I know you mentioned a Rifle, but since you are going to be hand pumping which is not a lot of fun. I would consider taking a look at a HW44 Pistol, very accurate and very hand pump friendly. I get 30 shots per fill. Took my first squirrel yesterday shot him offhand out of a tree. I have 6 high end Springers that do not get shot all that much anymore since moving to PCP's. My first PCP was a HW100, a solid underrated Rifle that you rarely hear anyone that has any issues with.
I think there is probably a lot of folks, me included that purchase a PCP thinking they can get by with pumping, only to realize after that first pumping session that you would rather be shooting than pumping and start looking for a multi thousand dollar compressor.
I think there is probably a lot of folks, me included that purchase a PCP thinking they can get by with pumping, only to realize after that first pumping session that you would rather be shooting than pumping and start looking for a multi thousand dollar compressor.
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I pretty much pump 99% of the time once you get the chore of first fill out of the way. then it’s not really that bad. I pump a tiapan vet EDgun Leshiy but my super long r5m sucks to pump. I personally draw the line at a 300cc tank. But it’s a heck of a work out...
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Anything that runs a 100 or 150cc reservoir. (and isn't high power or large caliber.) I'd personally get a 22 cal stormrider as I've got a bandit in 17 cal and pp800 in 25 cal... know my way around them/have spare parts already. Both mine are pistols and have 50cc reservoirs. Shot count is low on the 25, and very high on the 17. All those I mentioned operate at a bit lower pressure than a lot of pcps, so that makes top off even easier.
Should also note I've been using the $40 ebay pump and it's fantastic. I did have to put some polishing paste on the top of the pump piston as it stated to bind after extended use(and me pushing the sleeve down not perfectly straight) but it honestly looks very much like the fx pumps
Should also note I've been using the $40 ebay pump and it's fantastic. I did have to put some polishing paste on the top of the pump piston as it stated to bind after extended use(and me pushing the sleeve down not perfectly straight) but it honestly looks very much like the fx pumps
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I think my original Impact was. It was a bigger pain in the butt than my SPA guns are. At least with the chinaguns, most informed guys know what they are getting into and have to fix. At 2 grand, my tolerance didn't last long. On a positive note, it was easy to sell.
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Benjamin Marauder pistol. I recommend keeping your eye out for a used one because you may get upgrades with it. They are a compact set up. Both factory and aftermarket parts are easily accessible. With a decent moderator they are whisper quiet. .22 cal means good FPE and lastly deadly accurate. Do a google search for paint ball parks in your area. They may be willing to fill a tank for you if you ever decide to go that rout. 
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There is no such thing as a "pump friendly pcp"! Besides, how long will you consider it "fun" if you have to carry a pump with you, and force that thing back up to 2500 - 3000 psi every time you go shooting? A spring powered, or piston compressed air gun that you cock after each shot, is a very good starter system in this sport.
Unless you are a bodybuilder, age 19 to 35, the pump isn't likely to be the best answer for you. It sounds great but that last inch of "push" on that pump is the one that generates 3K+ air pressure and if you have any miles on you at all, you'll wreck your back!
Best first gun is a break barrel piston powered/compressed air powered air gun.
Or if you just MUST have a pcp...get the Marauder. The Marauder is possibly the best "starter pcp" made in the U.S. and with a marvelous source of parts and technical support. Just have a used scuba cylinder, with a current inspection sticker, and a scuba shop available for air fills.
Not everyone will agree with me, however, that has been my personal experience. Your mileage can and will vary from the advice/experience available from most forums. This sport is an individual experience and everyone's tastes will vary...and change over time!!!
Find out if you even like this sport before you start tossing large money into it. It's great fun for some, boring as hell for others!
Regards,
Kindly 'Ol Uncle Hoot
Unless you are a bodybuilder, age 19 to 35, the pump isn't likely to be the best answer for you. It sounds great but that last inch of "push" on that pump is the one that generates 3K+ air pressure and if you have any miles on you at all, you'll wreck your back!
Best first gun is a break barrel piston powered/compressed air powered air gun.
Or if you just MUST have a pcp...get the Marauder. The Marauder is possibly the best "starter pcp" made in the U.S. and with a marvelous source of parts and technical support. Just have a used scuba cylinder, with a current inspection sticker, and a scuba shop available for air fills.
Not everyone will agree with me, however, that has been my personal experience. Your mileage can and will vary from the advice/experience available from most forums. This sport is an individual experience and everyone's tastes will vary...and change over time!!!
Find out if you even like this sport before you start tossing large money into it. It's great fun for some, boring as hell for others!
Regards,
Kindly 'Ol Uncle Hoot
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Speaking from firsthand experience,You might want to take a good look at the Gamo Urban.
What you get is essentially a BSA rifle with their World Renowned cold hammer forged barrel and top notch components. It's a tunable package,its Very accurate,light,short and comfortable plus the trigger can be made to perform very well.(Simply remove the barrel band and use it's screw to replace the original 1st stage adjustment screw. The barrel is rock solid without it and it has been blamed for poi shifts.)
I was getting @30 shots per fill (.22) and it's an Absolute Breeze to fill with a hand pump.
I drilled a hole in the stock to allow hammer spring adjustments with a 4 mm allen wrench. I could quickly adjust from sub 20 fpe and higher shot count up to 30+ fpe. I settled at 25-ish fpe with its favorite pellet, the Crosman 14.3 domes. (Another bonus! ...they shot better than JSB's,H&N's,ect. for lower shooting cost.)
Hope this is of help.
Mike
What you get is essentially a BSA rifle with their World Renowned cold hammer forged barrel and top notch components. It's a tunable package,its Very accurate,light,short and comfortable plus the trigger can be made to perform very well.(Simply remove the barrel band and use it's screw to replace the original 1st stage adjustment screw. The barrel is rock solid without it and it has been blamed for poi shifts.)
I was getting @30 shots per fill (.22) and it's an Absolute Breeze to fill with a hand pump.
I drilled a hole in the stock to allow hammer spring adjustments with a 4 mm allen wrench. I could quickly adjust from sub 20 fpe and higher shot count up to 30+ fpe. I settled at 25-ish fpe with its favorite pellet, the Crosman 14.3 domes. (Another bonus! ...they shot better than JSB's,H&N's,ect. for lower shooting cost.)
Hope this is of help.
Mike
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